- From: Frederick Hirsch <frederick.hirsch@nokia.com>
- Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:58:42 -0400
- To: "ext Paul Cotton" <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
- Cc: Frederick Hirsch <frederick.hirsch@nokia.com>, Asir Vedamuthu <asirveda@microsoft.com>, public-ws-policy-eds <public-ws-policy-eds@w3.org>
yes regards, Frederick Frederick Hirsch Nokia On Apr 18, 2007, at 12:52 PM, ext Paul Cotton wrote: > Can you identify the new best practises and confirm they were not > in the original IBM/MSFT proposal? > > /paulc > > Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada > 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3 > Tel: (613) 225-5445 Fax: (425) 936-7329 > mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: public-ws-policy-eds-request@w3.org [mailto:public-ws-policy- >> eds- >> request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Frederick Hirsch >> Sent: April 18, 2007 12:25 PM >> To: Asir Vedamuthu >> Cc: Hirsch Frederick; public-ws-policy-eds >> Subject: Re: [Guidelines] Proposed update to section 4.5 (now >> 5.5), Design >> ating Optional Behaviors >> >> >> added some best practices based on original text as noted by Paul on >> the WG call. >> >> regards, Frederick >> >> Frederick Hirsch >> Nokia >> >> >> On Apr 18, 2007, at 11:53 AM, ext Asir Vedamuthu wrote: >> >>> Are you proposing any substantial changes to Section 5.5 (old 4.5)? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Asir S Vedamuthu >>> Microsoft Corporation >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: public-ws-policy-eds-request@w3.org [mailto:public-ws-policy- >>> eds-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Frederick Hirsch >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 9:45 PM >>> To: Paul Cotton >>> Cc: Frederick Hirsch; ext Prasad Yendluri; public-ws-policy-eds >>> Subject: Re: [Guidelines] Proposed update to section 4.5 (now 5.5), >>> Design ating Optional Behaviors >>> >>> >>> We discussed this on the editors call and I think we agreed, in >>> keeping with the way we've resolved previous issues, that WG should >>> agree on changes that are more extensive. >>> >>> This is what we've been doing to date, even agreeing on detailed >>> wording in the WG. >>> >>> If we do not see any WG comments then we can go ahead and make these >>> changes without WG approval if you think that is best. >>> >>> regards, Frederick >>> >>> Frederick Hirsch >>> Nokia >>> >>> >>> On Apr 17, 2007, at 8:50 PM, ext Paul Cotton wrote: >>> >>>> Personally I think this would be better discussed by the Editors >>>> until you have a consolidated position to take back to the WG. In >>>> fact I thought that is what the Editors agreed to do. >>>> >>>> /paulc >>>> >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: public-ws-policy-eds-request@w3.org [public-ws-policy-eds- >>>> request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Frederick Hirsch >>>> [frederick.hirsch@nokia.com] >>>> Sent: April 17, 2007 3:40 PM >>>> To: ext Prasad Yendluri >>>> Cc: Frederick Hirsch; public-ws-policy-eds >>>> Subject: Re: [Guidelines] Proposed update to section 4.5 (now 5.5), >>>> Design ating Optional Behaviors >>>> >>>> no problem, open discussion on this is fine. I'll respond on the WG >>>> thread. >>>> >>>> regards, Frederick >>>> >>>> Frederick Hirsch >>>> Nokia >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 17, 2007, at 5:50 PM, ext Prasad Yendluri wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My apologies, I did not intend to send my reply to the whole WG. >>>>> >>>>> Somehow I thought we were discussing this within just the >>>>> editorial >>>>> team. >>>>> >>>>> Did not realize Frederick's note was sent to the WG list. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Prasad >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Prasad Yendluri >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:07 PM >>>>> To: 'Frederick Hirsch'; public-ws-policy@w3.org >>>>> Subject: RE: [Guidelines] Proposed update to section 4.5 (now >>>>> 5.5), >>>>> Designating Optional Behaviors >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Frederick, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Couple of quick comments. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. Good practice (b) and (d) seem to have the same good practice >>>>> description. >>>>> >>>>> That is lines 28-29 and 62-63 are identical (ref: .pdf w/o diff). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2. Some of these best practices could be applicable on a broader >>>>> scope rather than just >>>>> >>>>> "optional assertions". For example, the following best practice >>>>> w/o >>>>> optional could be >>>>> >>>>> applicable to WSDL attachment (described in the section that >>>>> follows this one). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Assertion Authors should associate optional assertions with the >>>>> appropriate endpoint, >>>>> >>>>> and right granularity to limit the degree to which optionality >>>>> applies." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is it worth rephrasing these to be more generic so that they can >>>>> also be applicable >>>>> >>>>> elsewhere rather than scoping them strictly to optional >>>>> assertions? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Prasad >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: public-ws-policy-request@w3.org [mailto:public-ws-policy- >>>>> request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Frederick Hirsch >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:20 AM >>>>> To: public-ws-policy@w3.org >>>>> Cc: Frederick Hirsch >>>>> Subject: [Guidelines] Proposed update to section 4.5 (now 5.5), >>>>> Designating Optional Behaviors >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I took an editors action item to revise section 4.5 of the >>>>> Guidelines >>>>> >>>>> (designating optional behaviors) to reflect the approach taken in >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> Web architecture document, to re-structure as problem statement, >>>>> best >>>>> >>>>> practices and then example. [1] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This resulted in a fairly extensive edit so I am sharing the >>>>> revision >>>>> >>>>> with the WG before completing the edits. I added some best >>>>> practices >>>>> >>>>> based on the original text. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Attached are plain and red-lines, with revised section numbers >>>>> due to >>>>> >>>>> a subsequent change to the documents to add summary section of >>>>> best >>>>> >>>>> practices at the beginning of the document. (Will probably need to >>>>> >>>>> add informative reference to MTOM assertion) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> regards, Frederick >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Frederick Hirsch >>>>> >>>>> Nokia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [1] <http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy- >>>>> >>>>> guidelines.html?rev=1.38&content-type=text/html;% >>>>> >>>>> 20charset=iso-8859-1#optional-policy-assertion> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> >
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