- From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 21:00:58 +0900
- To: public-wot-wg@w3.org
available at:
https://www.w3.org/2020/09/23-wot-td-minutes.html
also as text below.
Thanks a lot for taking the minutes, Ege!
Kazuyuki
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[1]W3C
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WoT-WG - TD-TF
23 Sep 2020
[2]Agenda
[2] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#September_23.2C_2020
Attendees
Present
Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Michael_McCool,
Sebastian_Kaebisch, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Ege_Korkan,
Tomoaki_Mizushima
Regrets
Chair
Sebastian
Scribe
Ege, kaz
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Agenda
2. [5]Minutes review
3. [6]TD meeting next week?
4. [7]TPAC
5. [8]New working draft
6. [9]PR 960
7. [10]PR 945
8. [11]PR 944
9. [12]PR 943
10. [13]PR 938
11. [14]PR 937
12. [15]PR 896
13. [16]PR 869
* [17]Summary of Action Items
* [18]Summary of Resolutions
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<kaz> scribenick: Ege
Agenda
(no specific addition)
Minutes review
<inserted> [19]Sep-16
[19] https://www.w3.org/2020/09/16-wot-td-minutes.html
McCool: we should plan a meeting with the Spatial Data on the
Web IG
Sebastian: (creating issue on w3c/wot)
<inserted> [20]Issue 939 for joint meeting with Spatial Data on
the Web IG
[20] https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/939
<sebastian> new issue
[21]https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/965
[21] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/965
Sebastian: any objections to publish?
<kaz> (none and approved)
TD meeting next week?
Sebastian: next week's meeting will focus on working on PRs
TPAC
<sebastian> please use this doodle poll to find a common slot
with the JSON-LD group:
[22]https://doodle.com/poll/mqx2wde3a6wth7ib
[22] https://doodle.com/poll/mqx2wde3a6wth7ib
Sebastian: we should have a meeting with the Spatial Data IG, I
am talking with them
... I will invite them to a TD meeting
... How much time do we need for TPAC?
... 2 hours is always too short according to feedback
... 3 hours is better, what do you think?
Daniel: I agree, 2 hours was too short
Sebastian: Let's do the agenda of F2F
Ege: I want to decide on what to do for the templating (=Thing
Model)
Sebastian: That will be in the Thing model discussion. I will
show the PRs
... Maybe this will need to be a separate document
McCool: I just saw JSON LD is going to republish the JSON-LD
1.0 spec as a superseded REC
Sebastian: interesting (opening new issue in td repo)
... Taki can do the diff of 1.0 vs 1.1
... Daniel for the hypermedia
... I will do the Thing Model
... What about the needed times
Cristiano: I can do/help with the component discussion
Ege: SD should be before components since it is related
Sebastian: (finished the agenda, available online)
<inserted> [23]TD topics under the "Proposed Topics" section of
the vF2F wiki
[23] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_October_2020#Proposed_Topics
New working draft
Sebastian: geolocation is new for example
<kaz> [24]7.1.3 Example III: Geolocation Annotations
[24] https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/#semantic-annotations-example-geoloc
<McCool> note we are also discussing units and geolocation in
profiles but there are differences and we should make sure
what's in profiles and the examples here are aligned
<McCool> ... for example are talking about SenML and QUDT in
profiles but OM is used for units in this example (I think)
Sebastian: you can also declare JSON-LD contexts
<McCool> ... likewise there are multiple possible concrete
ontologies for geolocation, alignment with DAS, etc that need
to be discussed
<McCool> ... but the examples are a great starting point for
that discussion
PR 960
Sebastian: now let's see PR960
Daniel: We have decided to delay it for now
<kaz> [25]PR 960
[25] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/960
<kaz> [26]related issue 968
[26] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/968
Cristiano: I think we should first solve the finding the unsub
form issue
Ege: me too
<kaz> [27]updated comment for PR 960
[27] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/960#issuecomment-697513482
PR 945
<kaz> [28]PR 945
[28] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/945
scribenick: kaz
Kaz: if it's difficult to resolve all the questions here, we
can add an Editor's Note to describe that
McCool: also we need implementations
Kaz: let's see the update next week again
PR 944
<kaz> [29]PR 944
[29] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/944
<kaz> [30]updated comments
[30] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/944#issuecomment-697530986
scribenick: kaz
Kaz: several conflicts maybe due to the rendering script
update?
McCool: not mechanical fixes, but need to look into them
scribenick: ege
McCool: you need to use CLI to fix it
Sebastian: now the Thing Model PR
PR 943
<kaz> [31]PR 943
[31] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/943
<kaz> [32]updated comments
[32] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/943#issuecomment-697533970
PR 938
<inserted> [33]PR 938
[33] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/938
Sebastian: the PR moves the Thing Templates from Appendix,
renames it to Model
McCool: the section id should be also changed
... special kind should be named subclass or related
... a new content type should be also discussed
<McCool> I would say something like "A Thing Model describes a
set of Thing Descriptions"
McCool: we should differentiate digital twins as well
<McCool> basically two use cases: digital twin (just
abstraction, no security or protocol info) and developer-time
info (need protocol templates and security templates, but
omitting some concrete details, eg using URL templates instead
of concrete URLs)
(Ege leaves and Kaz takes over the scribe role.)
<scribe> scribenick: kaz
Sebastian: would be happy with saying "MAY" here
McCool: agree saying "MAY" would be appropriate
... for the use case of digital twin, you MAY omit it
... and for the developer use case, you SHOULD have it
Sebastian: (adds a comment on that point)
[34]updated comment
[34] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/938#discussion_r493696089
[35]and summary comment
[35] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/938#issuecomment-697568255
PR 937
[36]PR 937
[36] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/937
Sebastian: will ping Victor
... (adds a comment about that)
[37]updated comment
[37] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/937#issuecomment-697572308
PR 896
[38]PR 896
[38] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/896
Sebastian: should be able to merge this
... changes on the ontology
Kaz: OK with merging this PR
... just to make sure, we should confirm that there is no
impact due to this change for the PlugFest
... this schema change will be applied to the Playground as
well. right?
McCool: need to check with Ege
Sebastian: we can merge this PR itself
... and I can create another issue on Playground to be updated
Kaz: ok
McCool: two issues to be added, one for Playground and another
for Assertion checker
Kaz: right
Sebastian: (adds those points as a comment and merge the PR)
[39]Sebastian's comment
[39] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/896#issuecomment-697579929
PR 869
[40]PR 869
[40] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/869
Daniel: need some more time
Sebastian: next week then
... (adds a comment on that)
[41]updated comment
[41] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/869#issuecomment-697583657
Sebastian: that was the last PR for today
... let's make decision on the remaining PRs next week
... regarding PlugFest, everybody should use the new terms
... for example about geolocation
McCool: new OAuth flow as well
[42]updated draft
[42] https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/
Sebastian: maybe I can show you the coffee machine example
[43]Smart coffee machine and OAuth 2.0
[43] http://www.thingweb.io/smart-coffee-machine.html#smart-coffee-machine-and-oauth-2-0
[adjourned]
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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