[wot-marketing] minutes - 9 July 2020

available at:
  https://www.w3.org/2020/07/09-wot-marketing-minutes.html

also as text below.

Thanks a lot for taking the minutes, Cristiano!

Kazuyuki

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   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                               - DRAFT -

                             WoT Marketing

09 Jul 2020

   [2]Agenda

      [2] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Marketing_WebConf#Agenda

Attendees

   Present
          Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Cristiano_Aguzzi,
          Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan,
          Tomoaki_Mizushima

   Regrets

   Chair
          Sebastian, McCool

   Scribe
          cris_

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]Previous minutes
         2. [5]explained video
         3. [6]Next week
         4. [7]AOB?
     * [8]Summary of Action Items
     * [9]Summary of Resolutions
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   <kaz> scribenick: cris_

Previous minutes

   Sebastian: welcomes the participants of the call
   ... showing the minutes
   ... reviewing the agenda of today
   ... something else?
   ... reviewing again the minutes

   McCool: WISHI next week will be take place

   Sebastian: have some conflicts can someone can host it?

   McCool: let's discuss this in other call

   Sebastian: is there some problems with the minutes?

   <kaz> [10]June-4

     [10] https://www.w3.org/2020/06/04-wot-marketing-minutes.html

   Sebastian: minutes approved

explained video

   <kaz> [11]script

     [11] https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/blob/master/material/wot_explainer_notes.md

   Sebastian: thanks a lot, Michael. for the improvements.

   <kaz> [12]video style

     [12] https://showrealmotion.streamfizz.live/

   Sebastian: in the readme now there are comments form Michael

   McCool: we need concrete suggestion to change the script
   ... i.e. actual PR
   ... I already suggested a couple of changes
   ... for example avoid bias around gender and race
   ... gender is quite tricky. pronouns fault
   ... I proposed to use they and their, but sometimes it gets odd
   ... try to use developer team instead of developer
   ... also I understand that Joe was used to identify with the
   main character but I rather change it
   ... we can avoid race issues using not humans
   ... our job is to make the script right and specify the
   animator that the character should be unbias in regard to
   gender and race
   ... I also would avoid names completely.
   ... We need also to consistent with names. ie. I'd use
   winegrower

   Sebastian: I think we have a great starting point now
   ... let's iterate over this

   McCool: next step create new md file which finalize the script
   ... get it "soonish"
   ... the final document will not contain comments only the
   script

   Sebastian: unfortunately next week I am very busy... and I
   cannot work on this

   McCool: I volunteer to work on this document and create the
   final script
   ... anyway if anybody has some problem please comment on the
   draft or discuss it now
   ... basically we can go trough each pieces and note our
   comments now

   Sebastian: show the start of the script

   McCool: use winemaker instead of winegrower

   Sebastian: ok to change it. does anybody has some object?
   ... second scene

   McCool: would avoid pronouns
   ... suggesting minor changes

   Sebastian: should be accept Michael suggestion?
   ... ok let's accept it

   McCool: scene 2 were broken in two scenes
   ... I suggest two different visuals
   ... on scene2b we can state clearly why we need weather data
   ... skip scene 3
   ... I'll fix scene3 text
   ... scene 4 spoken text is good. just minor fixes
   ... Also I removed relative pronouns. they are confusing for
   some people

   Sebastian: scene 5

   McCool: scene 5 has issues with gender. I am proposing neutral
   pronouns
   ... there's also another problem. It is quite vague and maybe a
   little bit harsh

   Sebastian: reading lagally comment

   McCool: we need a more concrete suggestion from oracle

   Sebastian: scene 6

   McCool: removed Googling and state directly how WoT is
   pronounced
   ... also linking back to the winemaker problem

   Sebastian: we should include IoT developers who can use all Web
   technologies with WoT
   ... is it ok to put only one kind of developers?

   McCool: my opinion is that having a focused audience is better
   ... the entire script is focused on web developers
   ... maybe can we mention IoT devs at the end

   Sebastian: I do not have any strong opinion on that.. let's
   leave it like it is

   McCool: update staging. add two screens. one with usual tools
   and other domains
   ... which tools we should include?
   ... js, nodejs, html

   Ege: nodeRed
   ... vue, react an so on

   McCool: create a list of the most known

   Cristiano: typescript?

   McCool: why not

   Sebastian: what about WebAssembly?

   McCool: maybe better not here

   Kaz: what about mentioning other popular languages? i.e. python

   McCool: rather not now...

   Kaz: maybe a character could mention pyhton for web apps in
   contrast with node-red, etc., for WoT?

   McCool: it is important but is not the right place to put it

   Ege: for the logos don't forget JSON

   McCool: good point

   Sebastian: adding animating domains

   Sebastian: need to leave now...

   Kaz: before closing the call, I wanted to repeat that pronoun
   issues is very important. Note W3C is keen on CEPC and
   diversity these days

   Sebastian: McCool, can you take over?
   ... I have to go

   McCool: showing the script
   ... please read the text and speak up if something is off
   ... otherwise it is assumed accepted
   ... reading the script
   ... scene 10 was changed
   ... just add a check for each question

   Ege: maybe the questions are too long and could take the whole
   screen
   ... maybe we can change the questions to statements

   McCool: we can simplify the text
   ... or we can focus in each question and then minimize

   Ege: I think it will be to quick... people will not have time
   to read

   McCool: let's try to simplify the points

   Ege: I suggest to remove how to "access data or function" is
   too difficult
   ... I like more interaction than function. function is more
   related to actual code

   McCool: we can say these question verbally
   ... moving last text of scene 12 to scene 13
   ... any objections?

   <inserted> (none)

   McCool: if any comments/suggestions make a PR

Next week

   McCool: should we cancel next week
   ... ok let's cancel it

AOB?

   Kaz: what about video style?

   McCool: It is not important in my opinion, as long as they
   follow our script and staging rules

   Ege: using animals it might be fine, as long as they look good

   McCool: I'd like a nice logo like animation

   Kaz: I agree your direction in general

   Cristiano: how the video will be shared?

   McCool: I think it will hosted by W3C and then shared in other
   platforms

   <kaz> [13]fyi, my slides include how to deal with videos on
   youtube

     [13] https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/PRESENTATIONS/2020-06-online-f2f/2020-06-26-Project-Management-Kaz.pptx

   <kaz> [adjourned]

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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