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[online][PlugFest/Testing] minutes - 19 June 2020

From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 21:51:43 +0900
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To: public-wot-ig@w3.org, public-wot-wg@w3.org
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also as text below.

Thanks a lot for taking the minutes, Daniel!

Kazuyuki

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   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                               - DRAFT -

                            PlugFest/Testing

19 Jun 2020

   [2]Agenda

      [2] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/PlugFest_WebConf#Agenda_06.19.2020

Attendees

   Present
          Kaz_Ashimura, Benjamin_Braun, Cristiano_Aguzzi,
          Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Farshid_Tavakolizadeh,
          Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool,
          Miguel_Romero, Ryuichi_Matsukura, Tomoaki_Mizushima,
          Sebastian_Kaebisch

   Regrets

   Chair
          McCool

   Scribe
          dape

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]Agenda
         2. [5]Review of PRs
         3. [6]Wrap-up
     * [7]Summary of Action Items
     * [8]Summary of Resolutions
     __________________________________________________________

   <kaz> scribenick: dape

Agenda

   <kaz> McCool: (checks the agenda for today)

Review of PRs

   McCool: Was not able to finish my PR about report generation

   <kaz> [9]PRs

      [9] https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pulls

   <inserted> [10]PR 16

     [10] https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/16

   McCool: let's merge validation PR#16
   ... validation scripts are now in
   ... report generation needs more work

   <kaz> [11]PR 28

     [11] https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/28

   Farshid: worked on tool for TD sync
   ... python script does the work

   McCool: Suggest merging PR
   ... tool re-ordering can be done later if we have multiple
   tools
   ... We also need to document SoftEther setup
   ... let's create issue for that

   Ege: Pushed Wade results already... without PR
   ... last column in WADE.csv is the result

   <kaz> [12]WADE.csv

     [12] https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/master/events/2020.06.Online/data/dynamic/WADE.csv

   McCool: Can we organize it based on manual assertions
   ... we should have kind of these results in general.. not only
   about WADE

   Ege: We can restructure the presentation

   McCool: We should have a way to create a test dashboard
   automatically... with categories et cetera
   ... rigth now we have single pass/failed. we might want to
   expand the information.

   Ege: Could think of "op" field keyword, protocol, security

   McCool: Suggest expanding template. Add TODOs in
   data/interop/README.md

   Ege: For complete testing we can still use test-bench

   McCool: CSV should be usable for manual editing but may also
   contain additional information
   ... DP added id's for Siemens TDs

   Daniel: Correct, to overcome auto generated id creation issue
   by directory

   <inserted> [13]Issue 22

     [13] https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/22

   McCool: related to issue#22

Wrap-up

   McCool: on Tuesday during VF2F we have PlugFest report
   ... please add comments to issue tracker
   ... e.g., yesterday we discussed xpath vs. Json path
   ... see issue #29

   <inserted> [14]Issue 29

     [14] https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/29

   Ege: XPath supports JSON querying .. in recent version
   ... issue exists in discovery repo

   Farshid: New version supports arrays

   McCool: JSON path might be less powerful ..

   <Ege>
   [15]https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/17#issuecomment
   -621190733

     [15] https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/17#issuecomment-621190733

   Farshid: Yes, but there is no formal specification either...
   ... there is also difference in implementation supporting
   certain features

   <kaz> [16]JSONata

     [16] https://jsonata.org/

   MR: There is also JSONata, used by nodered

   McCool: Miguel, please comment in issue

   MR: will do

   McCool: 2 outcomes so far
   ... 1. primary key
   ... 2. XPath features

   Farshid: Issue with types, ..thing vs. directory
   ... will create issue

   <miguelrk> JSONata: an alternative JSON query and
   transformation language ([17]https://jsonata.org/)

     [17] https://jsonata.org/)

   McCool: Need to figure out how many types we need
   ... information model needs to contain timestamp and id
   ... let's discuss this topic in discovery
   ... One other topic is VPN. Question: was it useful?
   ... VPN was essential for :
   ... - using mDNS hostnames to avoid issues with IP changing
   ... - using local DNS-SD for discovery
   ... Future testing:
   ... - mapping from fixed URL
   ... Useful:
   ... - testing NAT traversal

   Ege: Not sure who was dependent on VPN?

   McCool: easier to bring up device inside VPN
   ... less security troubles
   ... no security on the Internet would not be a good idea

   Ege: Device owner issue

   McCool: For PF report we do not have much time

   Sebatian: w.r.t. to XPath, JSON path. Did you look into JSON LD
   prefixes and the related issue

   McCool: looked at it in discovery TF
   ... we have various issues here

   [18]Issues identified during the online PlugFest

     [18] https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:"Plugfest+Outcome"

   Sebatian: Can discuss with JSON-LD group

   Koster: Need light weight query solution

   McCool: We need standard, JSON path isn't

   Koster: there is also JSON Patch

   [19]JSON Patch

     [19] http://jsonpatch.com/

   McCool/Koster: We should start with uses case

   McCool: Any PF outcome for report

   <Zakim> kaz, you wanted to suggest we add "PlugFest outcome"
   label as well to issue 29 and 22 (and some more possible ones)

   Kaz: suggest adding label to issues w.r.t. PF outcome

   McCool: Good idea

   Farshid: I also have some slides. I will use them on Monday

   Kaz: Do we want to invite JSON-LD people?

   McCool: packed.. should definetly invite them for discovery
   call
   ... DID is coming to VF2F

   Koster: We could let JSON-LD know that we have F2F... maybe one
   has time to show up

   McCool: One other issue is having validation/report ready
   before PF

   Koster: Are we planning to go on with validation... with
   experimental stuff

   McCool: We also had prototypes folder

   Koster: Makes sense

   McCool: Kaz, can we keep VPN up?

   Kaz: checking with the system team

   Koster: I also think an ongoing activity makes sense

   McCool: Agree
   ... having an ongoing process makes sense
   ... devices up would be good
   ... might need some money to keep server up. Can pay for it
   ... at least we should archive image

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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