Re: [wot] minutes - 3 August 2016

Hi group,

I got the following action item from the previous call:
>   <kaz> ACTION: kaz to ask Kajimoto-san about his plan for the
>   arch doc publication [recorded in
>   [24]http://www.w3.org/2016/08/03-wot-minutes.html#action01]

I've checked with Kajimoto-san and confirmed he would like
to publish the Architecture draft as an IG Note after his updating
the draft's Abstract/Status sections.

Thanks,

Kazuyuki


On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 11:51 PM, Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org> wrote:

> available at:
>   https://www.w3.org/2016/08/03-wot-minutes.html
>
> also as text below.
>
> Thank you very much for taking these minutes, Michael!
>
> Kazuyuki
>
> ---
>    [1]W3C
>
>       [1] http://www.w3.org/
>
>                                - DRAFT -
>
>                                  WoT IG
>
> 03 Aug 2016
>
>    [2]Agenda
>
>       [2] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_WebConf#Agenda_of_
> next_WoT_IG_WebConf:_27_July_2016
>
>    See also: [3]IRC log
>
>       [3] http://www.w3.org/2016/08/03-wot-irc
>
> Attendees
>
>    Present
>           Johannes, Daniel, Matthias, Victor, Yingying, Scott,
>           Sebastian, Kaz, Michael, Bowen, Katsuyoshi, Masato,
>           Takuki, Victor,
>           Jim_Barnett(invited_for_SCXML_discussion)
>
>    Regrets
>    Chair
>           Matthias
>
>    Scribe
>           Michael
>
> Contents
>
>      * [4]Topics
>          1. [5]Blog post for Beijing f2f
>          2. [6]SCXML
>          3. [7]TPAC
>          4. [8]IG deliverables
>          5. [9]WG period
>          6. [10]Discussion on Scott's post
>      * [11]Summary of Action Items
>      * [12]Summary of Resolutions
>      __________________________________________________________
>
>    <mkovatsc>
>    [13]https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_WebConf#Agenda_of_next_Wo
>    T_IG_WebConf:_27_July_2016
>
>      [13] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_WebConf#Agenda_of_
> next_WoT_IG_WebConf:_27_July_2016
>
>    <kaz> scribe: Michael
>
>    <kaz> scribenick: MIchael
>
> Blog post for Beijing f2f
>
>    <mkovatsc> [14]https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/
>
>      [14] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/
>
>    Plugfest doc for review
>
> SCXML
>
>    Jim presents SCXML
>
>    <kaz> [15]SCXML Recommendation
>
>      [15] https://www.w3.org/TR/scxml/
>
>    Designed as a control language based on Harrel State Charts
>
>    Look as sec 3.1 of the spec for a high level overview
>
>    <inserted> [16]Introduction section
>
>      [16] https://www.w3.org/TR/scxml/#CoreIntroduction
>
>    <inserted> jim: SCXML implementations:
>
>    <JimBarnett> [17]https://libraries.io/github/tklab-tud/uscxml
>
>      [17] https://libraries.io/github/tklab-tud/uscxml
>
>    <JimBarnett> [18]https://github.com/jbeard4/SCION
>
>      [18] https://github.com/jbeard4/SCION
>
>    SCION is implemented in js
>
>    Johannes: could define device behavior using state machine
>    language as executable code
>
>    What is the execution env?
>
>    Jim: use the invoke tag to execute, accepts events in and sends
>    events out
>    ... being used for a wide range of applications
>
>    Sebastian? can execution be modified at runtime?
>
>    Jim: no, static analysis is used
>    ... the data model may be conditionally loaded during execution
>
>    Also one state machine can start another at runtime
>
>    Kaz: One state machine can transfer execution to another at
>    runtime
>    ... like html page transition
>
>    Jim: SCXML can embed scripting language to execute when
>    enetering/leaving states
>
>    Daniel: can we also embed data models?
>
>    Jim: Yes, any data model, any scripting language with general
>    restricitions on the data model
>
>    Matthias: what is the community of users? Who uses and
>    participates?
>
>    Jim: the development is done, no developers are active in a
>    community
>    ... used in physics, Audi for dashboard control modeling
>
>    Matthias: anything close to our use case?
>
>    Jim: there was one person using SCXML for an embedded use case
>    ... try the mailing list, also there are workshops with EICS
>
>    <kaz> [19]SCXML workshop
>
>      [19] http://scxmlworkshop.de/eics2016/
>
>    Jim: public proceedings form the workshops
>
>    Johannes: Are there commercial open source tools using SCXML?
>
>    Jim: there are some research tools, IBM was at one point
>    interested for their UML tools
>
>    <kaz> [20]Apache Commons SCXML
>
>      [20] http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-scxml/
>
>    Kaz: IBM contributed an SCXML implementation to Apache
>    ... Audi and others using SCXML for automitive IVI
>
>    <kaz> maybe we might want to talk with Dirk Schnelle-Walka from
>    Harman as well
>
>    Matthias: who is willing to do an evaluation for WoT?
>
>    <inserted> will continue discussion using email
>
>    Next on agenda: TPAC planning
>
> TPAC
>
>    Matthias: need presentations and demo, won't have the normal
>    plugfest
>
>    Daniel prepared a slide
>
>    Overall idea is 2 flyers, one for mgmt, one for developers
>
>    Daniel: could have 4 tables (=4 demo booths with a table for
>    each):
>
>    Thing Description,
>
>    Scripting,
>
>    Protocol bindings
>
>    and an integrated demo
>
>    with air conditioner, window covers, etc.
>
>    5 minute demo
>
>    Daniel: is it sensible?
>
>    There will be a poster to explain the demo
>
>    and one person for each table
>
>    How big are the tables?
>
>    Matthias: coordinate the presentations this time
>
>    Kaz: We can have the demo room on Wednesday, and we might be
>    able to have the room for 1-2 more days
>
>    The demo is a breakout that everyone can join
>
>    Matthias: is there a chance to have a presentation to explain
>    the demo to everyone interested?
>    ... good opportunity to make people aware of our work
>
>    Kaz: there is another room available if we want to do a demo
>    and presentation at the same time
>    ... we might get 2 slots
>
>    Matthias: 2 hours in the afternoon for the demo, and if
>    possible another slot in the morning for technical explanation
>
>    Can we have a promotional slot on tuesday, 5 minutes?
>
>    Matthias: won't have any technical additions, this is about
>    improving and building on Beijing and making it more
>    understandable
>    ... make sure everything is available
>
>    RESOLUTION: our requirements for TPAC: Wed. morning slot for
>    demo pitch presentation, Wed. afternoon slot for actual demo;
>    Tue. ac 5 min presentation on WoT work (and AC review)
>
> IG deliverables
>
>    Releasing UCR and CP documents Beijing version
>
>    <mkovatsc>
>    [21]https://w3c.github.io/wot/current-practices/wot-practices-b
>    eijing-2016.html
>
>      [21] https://w3c.github.io/wot/current-practices/wot-
> practices-beijing-2016.html
>
>    Matthias: need a resolution to release CP document with a
>    disclaimer that it is a series of releases
>    ... anyone opposed to releasing?
>
>    <kaz> [ fyi, we need to update the status section like:
>    [22]https://www.w3.org/TR/hnreq/#sotd ]
>
>      [22] https://www.w3.org/TR/hnreq/#sotd
>
>    No objections, resolved to release CP document
>
>    RESOLUTION: We'll publish the Current Practices document as an
>    IG Note
>
>    <jhund> [23]http://w3c.github.io/wot/wot-ucr.html
>
>      [23] http://w3c.github.io/wot/wot-ucr.html
>
>    Matthias: fixed the abstract
>    ... this will also be a living document
>
>    anyone opposed to releasing the UCR document?
>
>    no objections, resolved to release the UCR document
>
>    RESOLUTION: We'll publish the Use Cases and Requirements
>    document as an IG Note
>
>    Architecture document?
>
>    Matthias: is there anyone on the call to discuss the Arch
>    document?
>
>    <kaz> ACTION: kaz to ask Kajimoto-san about his plan for the
>    arch doc publication [recorded in
>    [24]http://www.w3.org/2016/08/03-wot-minutes.html#action01]
>
>      [24] http://www.w3.org/2016/08/03-wot-minutes.html#action01]
>
>    <trackbot> Created ACTION-72 - Ask kajimoto-san about his plan
>    for the arch doc publication [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due
>    2016-08-10].
>
>    <kaz> Matthias: regarding the Tech Landscape, need to check
>    with Soumya
>
>    Ask for more input, this document is the foundation for the WG
>
> WG period
>
>    Kaz: need to clarify the starting and ending dates for the
>    working group
>
>    Ending 2018, syncing with the end date of the IG
>
>    RESOLUTION: WG ending date is end of 2018
>
> Discussion on Scott's post
>
>    <kaz> [25]thread on Scott's post
>
>      [25] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2016Jun/
> thread.html#msg59
>
>    Scott: Common set of vocabulary for interoperability
>
>    <kaz> like CSS levels
>
>    Scott: start at level 1, then go to level 2
>    ... like standardizing on/off remote controls for entertainment
>    gear
>
>    Matthias: we wanted to have semantic statements that describe a
>    thing in RDF
>    ... can also add extension statements
>    ... avoid fixed classes or types, this is what ZigBee, etc are
>    doing
>
>    We rather want to use a vocabulary to describe
>
>    Scott: very close to what I said
>
>    Matthias: there is the minimum core, plus application specific
>    vocabularies, do you have any examples?
>
>    Scott: seems to be about a practical rather than philosophical
>    if understood correctly
>    ... no examples though
>
>    Matthias: common "atomic" vocabulary like on/off may be defined
>    by W3C
>    ... what is the scope of what is being proposed?
>
>    Scott: want to make sure that the vocabulary can be extended,
>    and there is enough of a base vocabulary defined about how
>    state is controlled
>    ... how commands are structured, etc
>
>    Johannes: The question is whether we should stay horizontal or
>    get into vertical areas to get more concrete examples?
>
>    Scott: no opinion about what W3C should do, using Homekit as an
>    example which has enough defined to "just work" without being
>    overly constrained
>    ... doesn't want to push this group one way or another
>    ... think we're on the same page
>
>    Matthias: work with other orgs already building vertical
>    definitions, e.g. SAREF
>
>    Are you aware of others, Max Senges, schema.org?
>
>    Any liaison opportunities?
>
>    Scott: Max is working on schema.org, also working with Roy Want
>    on IoTx
>
>    Matthias: What about the IAB workshop?
>
>    Scott: will put us in contact with Max
>
>    Matthias: any use cases for application specific vocabulary?
>
>    Scott: creating a form of RESTful interface for devices
>
>    Physical web is like a QR code, just transmits a URL
>
>    Scott: web bluetooth can connect the thing tothe web also
>
>    have creates toys, demos, pill bottle example
>
>    Scott: provides a RESTful interface to the device
>    ... at that level, not much concern for interoperability, just
>    talk to the thing
>
>    step 2 is an intelligent controller to control a swarm of
>    things, here is where interoperability will be needed
>
>    Scott: a network scan function is being developed for dealing
>    with multiple devices
>
>    Johannes: Describes UI generation from Thing Description, could
>    fit it to the URI beacons to reveal functionality of devices in
>    an interoperable way
>
>    Scott: Physical web just deals with URIs
>
>    Scott device capabilities are not part of Physical Web to keep
>    it flexible
>
>    Matthias: Is there a defined representation? is it HTML
>    returned or is it machine readable?
>
>    Scott: not defining the representation at all
>    ... not choosing but for now it just points to a web page
>
>    Matthias: can you address BT devices using URIs?
>
>    Scott: using GATT
>
>    Physical Web is open, discussion on Github
>
>    Matthias: any other questions?
>
>    Kaz: would Scott be interested in participating?
>
>    Scott: should talk with Max about participation in WoT group
>
>    Matthias: reminder on AC review coming up, please talk with
>    your AC rep
>
>    Scott: again, look at IoTX
>
>    <kaz> [26]IoTx at MIT?
>
>      [26] https://blog.nicholaskellett.com/2016/04/20/mits-iotx-
> internet-of-things-online-course-first-impressions/
>
>    Michael will look into discussion with the Linux Foundation
>    IoTX project
>
>    Kaz will contact MIT
>
>    Matthias will not make next 2 meetings, please drive via email
>
>    [ Adjourned ]
>
> Summary of Action Items
>
>    [NEW] ACTION: kaz to ask Kajimoto-san about his plan for the
>    arch doc publication [recorded in
>    [27]http://www.w3.org/2016/08/03-wot-minutes.html#action01]
>
>      [27] http://www.w3.org/2016/08/03-wot-minutes.html#action01
>
> Summary of Resolutions
>
>     1. [28]our requirements for TPAC: Wed. morning slot for demo
>        pitch presentation, Wed. afternoon slot for actual demo;
>        Tue. ac 5 min presentation on WoT work (and AC review)
>     2. [29]We'll publish the Current Practices document as an IG
>        Note
>     3. [30]We'll publish the Use Cases and Requirements document
>        as an IG Note
>     4. [31]WG ending date is end of 2018
>
>    [End of minutes]
>      __________________________________________________________
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