Re: Getting rid of SDP (relation to ORTC)

On 05/03/2018 23:20, Cullen Jennings wrote:
>
>> On Mar 5, 2018, at 2:57 PM, Lennart Grahl <lennart.grahl@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:lennart.grahl@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Let's define a low level modular api (that is what most devs want
>>> anyway) that could be reused in different scenarios (ICE+DTLS+ICE or
>>> quick) easily.
>>
>> Isn't that what ORTC does provide?
>
> So ORTC does a good job of what it does, which is get rid of the 
> syntax of SDP and provide a programmatic interface to an RTP media 
> stack that is roughly capable of what can be done with SDP 
> Offer/Answer. As a result, most of ORTC 1:1 maps to the semantics or SDP.
Can't agree more.

> Take something simple like ptime and maxptime in ORTC. To real 
> understand what these are and how they fit into RTP, what they do in 
> an offer/answer, etc, you will be reading SDP documents. The approach 
> in new-media is to ask if we could get rid of tons of the baggage that 
> has accumulated in RTP, solve a bunch of the features that are too 
> hard to do in existing RTP/ICE,  and simplify the RTP in a huge way 
> that allowed us to move to something with far simpler semantics that SDP.

I partially agree, we can achieve the same clean sdp-less api without 
modifying the current media stack. I don't oppose to enhance/change 
RTP/ICE, but IMHO we should have both discussions independently and in 
parallel.

Best regards
Sergio