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Re: Proposed Charter Changes

From: tim panton <tim@phonefromhere.com>
Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 10:32:47 +0100
Cc: Erik Lagerway <erik@hookflash.com>, Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca>, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, Bernard Aboba <Bernard.Aboba@microsoft.com>, "Michael Champion (MS OPEN TECH)" <Michael.Champion@microsoft.com>, "public-webrtc@w3.org" <public-webrtc@w3.org>
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To: Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com>

> On 3 May 2015, at 23:27, Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> wrote:
> 
> OK, I have tweaked Erik's proposed text to try to make it clear what the purpose of the new APIs are, by adding a new bullet called "Direct control". 
> 
> I also performed a few other wordsmithings. Hopefully those in favor of Erik's proposal will also like this version.
> 
> Diff from Erik's proposal:
> https://github.com/fluffy/webrtc-charter/compare/alt...juberti:alt <https://github.com/fluffy/webrtc-charter/compare/alt...juberti:alt>
> 
> Full proposal:
> https://github.com/juberti/webrtc-charter/blob/alt/proposed-charter.txt <https://github.com/juberti/webrtc-charter/blob/alt/proposed-charter.txt>


Thanks! That addresses my issues with Ekr’s draft.


Tim.


> 
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com <mailto:juberti@google.com>> wrote:
> I agree that NG doesn't really explain what its purpose is, and "object" is similarly vague.
> 
> I think it needs the exact goal of this effort needs to be made explicit. I am not wedded to the term "low-level", but somehow the relationship between 1.0 and the new API needs to be described, as well as how the new API differs from the existing API. And to be clear, "does not use SDP" is not an adequate description; SDP does something, so are we inventing an alternative, or specifically leaving that functionality to applications (and thereby moving down a layer in the stack?)
> 
> I will take a shot at coming up with text for this.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Erik Lagerway <erik@hookflash.com <mailto:erik@hookflash.com>> wrote:
> The bulk of the changes are as follows, template from Dom, some from Ekr, some from Tim, some from me + removed the Liaison requirement.
> 
> As the name implies, WebRTC 1.0: Real-time Communication Between Browsers is to be considered as a first version of APIs for real-time communication. The working group will, once WebRTC 1.0: Real-time Communication Between Browsers reaches Candidate Recommendation, consider working on a new set of object-oriented APIs for real-time communication to produce an object-oriented specification to follow 1.0. The activities in the ORTC (Object Real-time Communications) Community Group indicate that there is interest in a new set of APIs. As part of this consideration, the group will reevaluate its deliverables and milestones, and may reconsider its scope.
> 
> In developing an Object API, the WG will adhere to the following principles.
> - Backwards-compatibility: applications which run in WebRTC 1.0 will continue to function with the Object API.
> - Standalone operation: The new Object APIs will be sufficiently complete as to prevent the need for the programmer to switch between object-orientated and 1.0 SDP styles in order to complete common tasks.
> - Feature independence: New features may be introduced in the object-oriented API that are not accessible in the documented 1.0 API or that are only added to the 1.0 SDP API in future versions.
> 
> The WG will make efforts to align on API methodologies and nomenclature with the ORCT CG when contemplating design of similar APIs in the WG. This may include scheduled design meetings with relevant WG and CG stakeholders to foster further convergence of the APIs.
> 
> ---
> 
> Your comments around "Object" are noted, also heard that "low-level" and "NG" are not working for some as well, so not sure what to do there.
> 
> 
> 
> /Erik
> 
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com <mailto:juberti@google.com>> wrote:
> Can you put up a link to a github diff? It's hard to tell which parts are new here.
> 
> I am not a fan of the "Object" / "1.0 SDP" terminology. Most of the objects already exist (or will exist) in 1.0, so calling the NG thing "Object" seems inaccurate at best.
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> On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca <mailto:fluffy@iii.ca>> wrote:
> 
> I look forward to seeing the discussion on the Hookflash proposal and I need to think about about it more but my first reaction is that looks like something that I could live with and might be OK to most the WG.
> 
> 
> > On Apr 30, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Erik Lagerway <erik@hookflash.com <mailto:erik@hookflash.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Based on concerns raised and after speaking to several WG and CG participants, I am proposing the following changes:
> >
> > - removed liaison requirement
> > - added some copy around getting the groups working together
> > - changed "low-level" to Object
> > - changed "high-level" to 1.0 SDP
> >
> > I believe this addresses most of the concerns and feels like a common ground we can start from, the proposal in its entirety is attached.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Erik
> >
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