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Re: [SPAM] RE: VS: Teleco Integrators vs Web Developers vs Browser Implementers

From: tim panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 18:05:15 +0100
Cc: "'Martin Thomson'" <martin.thomson@gmail.com>, "'Parthasarathi R'" <partha@parthasarathi.co.in>, "'cowwoc'" <cowwoc@bbs.darktech.org>, "'Christer Holmberg'" <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>, 'Iñaki Baz Castillo' <ibc@aliax.net>, "'Robin Raymond'" <robin@hookflash.com>, "'Roman Shpount'" <roman@telurix.com>, "'Adam Bergkvist'" <adam.bergkvist@ericsson.com>, "'Ted Hardie'" <ted.ietf@gmail.com>, "'piranna_gmail.com'" <piranna@gmail.com>, "'public-webrtc_w3.org'" <public-webrtc@w3.org>, "'Eric Rescorla'" <ekr@rtfm.com>
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To: "Martin Steinmann" <martin@ezuce.com>

On 5 Jul 2013, at 17:59, "Martin Steinmann" <martin@ezuce.com> wrote:

>> 
>> From: Martin Thomson [mailto:martin.thomson@gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 12:50 PM
>> To: Martin Steinmann
>> Cc: Parthasarathi R; cowwoc; Christer Holmberg; Iñaki Baz Castillo; Robin Raymond; Roman Shpount; Adam Bergkvist; Ted Hardie; piranna_gmail.com; >public-webrtc_w3.org; Eric Rescorla
>> Subject: Re: VS: Teleco Integrators vs Web Developers vs Browser Implementers
>> 
>> On 5 July 2013 09:41, Martin Steinmann <martin@ezuce.com> wrote:
>>> If you abstract from proprietary solutions, can you make a list of what else is used other than SIP and XMPP?  We are talking about a standard here, aren't >we?
>> 
>> That's an excellent question.
>> 
>> Most Web applications don't need and really don't want a standard when it comes to signaling.  It's too restrictive.  And most of the examples I've seen >don't use any sort of standardized signaling.  That list includes almost every WebRTC example in existence, with the exception of a small few.
>> 
>> That's why we explicitly state that signaling is out of scope for rtcweb and WebRTC.
> 
> If so this is really sad as it will make WebRTC pretty useless for all enterprise applications where interop with anything but itself is desired.  We have enough proprietary communications applications in the consumer space already and don't need yet another one.  I am also sad to see that this group seems to have deteriorated into a debate club after the WebRTC conference in Atlanta, after very promising progress had been made until then.  Please get back on track.

In your enterprise :
Does your web-based HR app use a standardised signalling to transfer data between the browser and the server?
Does your web-based calendar app use the same standardised signalling ?

I'm guessing they don't - but that they interop with a standardised server-to-server protocol which is not the same as
is used to the browser.

Tim.
Received on Friday, 5 July 2013 17:05:40 UTC

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