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Re: Placing Tutorials (was Re: VTT authoring guide on Web Platform Docs?)

From: David Singer <singer@apple.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:24:03 -0800
Cc: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, Silvia Pfieffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>, Jay Munro <jaymunro@microsoft.com>, Richard Eyre <rick.eyre@hotmail.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>, "public-texttracks@w3.org" <public-texttracks@w3.org>
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To: Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com>
Carlos, guys

you are heroes!!  thank you!!

On Feb 18, 2014, at 17:44 , Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the spam, I forgot to mention where it was uploaded to. 
> 
> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/VTT_Captioning
> 
> 
> On Jan 13, 2014, at 9:58 PM, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi, Carlos–
>> 
>> You can upload the content whenever you like! If you need help with the process, I can lend a hand. Let me know what you need to get started. If you like, we can even set up a phone/skype call or IRC session to tackle it.
>> 
>> Regards-
>> -Doug
>> 
>> On 1/12/14 1:19 PM, Carlos Araya wrote:
>>> Doug,
>>> 
>>> Let me know when to upload the content.
>>> 
>>> I'll be happy to write the blog post :)
>>> 
>>> Carlos
>>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi, Carlos–
>>>> 
>>>> I think it should be under multimedia [1], which makes me realize that we should have multimedia as a top-level topic on our landing page [2].
>>>> 
>>>> Also, are you interested in writing a post for our blog about your contribution, and about VTT (the history, the tech, the use cases, the market and competition, etc.)?
>>>> 
>>>> [1] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/multimedia
>>>> [2] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page
>>>> 
>>>> Regards-
>>>> -Doug
>>>> 
>>>> On 1/11/14 7:48 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
>>>>> Also, I think we should really add a link to the spec at
>>>>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/webvtt/ . ;-)
>>>>> And also to the community group at http://www.w3.org/community/texttracks/ .
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you're keen, feel free to add the following links, too:
>>>>> 
>>>>> * http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/track/basics/ - intro to text
>>>>> tracks
>>>>> * https://github.com/silviapfeiffer/WebVTT-with-regions - polyfill
>>>>> experiments by editor
>>>>> *
>>>>> http://wiki.webmproject.org/webm-metadata/temporal-metadata/webvtt-in-webm
>>>>> - specification for embedding WebVTT into WebM
>>>>> * http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming-12 -
>>>>> specification for using WebVTT as part of HTTP Live Streaming (HLS)
>>>>> *
>>>>> http://concolato.wp.mines-telecom.fr/2013/07/28/webvtt-mp4-files-dash-and-gpac/
>>>>> - WebVTT in MP4
>>>>> (which reminds me that a section on in-band WebVTT may be another useful
>>>>> addition to the page)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Silvia.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer
>>>>> <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Ah excellent - I thought you might have missed it because I didn't
>>>>>   receive a reply email. ;-)
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Anyway, I just checked and found some typos that you may want to
>>>>>   correct:
>>>>> 
>>>>>   1. Typo: missed a "by"
>>>>>   s/Optional Cue Settings separated from the time one or more SPACE or
>>>>>   TAB characters/Optional Cue Settings separated from the time by one
>>>>>   or more SPACE or TAB characters/
>>>>> 
>>>>>   2. Non-readable sentences:
>>>>>   "Using timestamp tags can build Karaoke Style tracks."
>>>>>   I think you mean something like:
>>>>>   "Timestamp tags can be used to build Karaoke style tracks."
>>>>> 
>>>>>   3. Typo: missed "are"
>>>>>   s/Timestamp tags can also be used for Paint On captions, which
>>>>>   placed independently from each other and don't erase what was
>>>>>   already on the screen/Timestamp tags can also be used for Paint On
>>>>>   captions, which are placed independently from each other and don't
>>>>>   erase what was already on the screen/
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Other than that, it's really looking awesome!
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Cheers,
>>>>>   Silvia.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>   On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Carlos Araya
>>>>>   <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>       Silvia,
>>>>> 
>>>>>       Yes, I incorporated all feedback received on this thread into
>>>>>       the document.  Is there something I missed?
>>>>> 
>>>>>       Carlos
>>>>>       On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
>>>>>       <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>>
>>>>>       wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>       Hi Carlos,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>       I gave you feedback on the other thread - has that been
>>>>>>       incorporated?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>       Thanks,
>>>>>>       Silvia.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>       On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Carlos Araya
>>>>>>       <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>           I think I'm good with the tutorial.  It could use one more
>>>>>>           round of feedback before moving it to the WPD site.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>           That bring another question, what is the best place for
>>>>>>           the VTT tutorial within the WPD doc web site? I haven't
>>>>>>           made up my mind if it falls under HTML, Accessibility or
>>>>>>           general web concepts.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>           Any ideas?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>           Carlos
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>           On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Carlos Araya
>>>>>>           <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>           wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>               Jay,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>               I added the links as notes to the supported browsers
>>>>>>               table.  Can you think of a better placement for the links?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>               Carlos
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>               On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Jay Munro
>>>>>>               <jaymunro@microsoft.com
>>>>>>               <mailto:jaymunro@microsoft.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                   Hi Carlos,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                   Looks good, though here's a bit more:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                   Under IE, you've got documentation on the HTML5
>>>>>>                   Rocks site. While a good site, Microsoft has a lot
>>>>>>                   of Text Track docs, with a number of examples.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                   This is our technology start page:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                   http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ie/bg123962.aspx
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                   Here's where all the API docs are. The text track
>>>>>>                   API is mixed in with the audio/video/media elements.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                   http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/ie/hh772500.aspx
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                   There's a set of text track samples here,
>>>>>>                   including one that uses meta data to create a
>>>>>>                   slide show. MSDN locks us out of actually having
>>>>>>                   the demo online, so it might be a good candidate
>>>>>>                   to put on WebPlatform.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                   http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/HTML5-Timed-Text-Track-9fddea75
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                   Lastly, though a little dated, there's a demo on
>>>>>>                   ietestdrive.com <http://ietestdrive.com/> that has
>>>>>>                   an editor that will create WebVTT files (as well
>>>>>>                   as TTML files). I've been meaning to get around to
>>>>>>                   an update, but things have been busy.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                   http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Graphics/CaptionMaker/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                   IE HTML5 Timed Text Track sample in JavaScript,
>>>>>>                   HTML for Visual Studio 2010
>>>>>>                   The examples shown here use the HTML5 track
>>>>>>                   element, and show you how to add video with
>>>>>>                   captioning and other features to your webpages.
>>>>>>                   Read more...
>>>>>>                   <http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/HTML5-Timed-Text-Track-9fddea75>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>                   *From:* Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>>>>>                   <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>                   *Sent:* Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:59 AM
>>>>>>                   *To:* Richard Eyre
>>>>>>                   *Cc:* Silvia Pfeiffer; David Singer;
>>>>>>                   public-webplatform@w3.org
>>>>>>                   <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>;
>>>>>>                   public-texttracks@w3.org
>>>>>>                   <mailto:public-texttracks@w3.org>; Doug Schepers
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                   *Subject:* Re: VTT authoring guide on Web Platform
>>>>>>                   Docs?
>>>>>>                   Richard,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                   Thank you for the feedback.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                   I've updated the information regarding Firefox
>>>>>>                   Nightly and added  vtt.js to the lists of players
>>>>>>                   and polyfills.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                   What bug should I track for Cue formatting issues?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                   Carlos
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                   On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Richard Eyre
>>>>>>                   <rick.eyre@hotmail.com
>>>>>>                   <mailto:rick.eyre@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                       I'm not sure if this got through to the list
>>>>>>                       so if it did, apologies. I don't mean to spam
>>>>>>                       the list.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                       Looks good at a quick pass Carlos. Two things:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                       * Firefox Nightly is enabled by default now. A
>>>>>>                       patch landed a few days ago for that.
>>>>>>                       * Underneath the polyfill section you can list
>>>>>>                       https://github.com/mozilla/vtt.js. It's a
>>>>>>                       JavaScript implementation of the WebVTT spec
>>>>>>                       (not the track spec). In the future it might
>>>>>>                       evolve into a full <track> polyfill.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                       Rick
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                       On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Carlos Araya
>>>>>>                       <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>>>>>                       <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                           I took a first stab at writing the VTT
>>>>>>                           tutorial. It's currently hosted in Github
>>>>>>                           to make it easier for people to contribute
>>>>>>                           examples and edits to the page.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                           https://github.com/caraya/vtt-demos/blob/master/video_captioning.md
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                           Please take a look at it and let me know
>>>>>>                           what you think needs to be changed and
>>>>>>                           what other things I should add.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                           Carlos
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                           On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Silvia
>>>>>>                           Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com
>>>>>>                           <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                               Great to hear your interest!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                               I would indeed encourage to write
>>>>>>                               about implemented reality, even
>>>>>>                               though that will probably continue to
>>>>>>                               improve over the next few
>>>>>>                               months.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                               You could explain the features as
>>>>>>                               specified and then explain what
>>>>>>                               works in the browsers now.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                               This could, in fact, contribute to the
>>>>>>                               testing efforts of the <track>
>>>>>>                               element in HTML, see
>>>>>>                               http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing .
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                               Cheers,
>>>>>>                               Silvia.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                               On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM,
>>>>>>                               Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>>>>>                               <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'd be interested in looking at
>>>>>>                               working on something like this.
>>>>>>                               However the first question that comes
>>>>>>                               to mind is whether we write to the way
>>>>>>                               the specification is written or to the
>>>>>>                               way it is supported. As far as I know
>>>>>>                               there is no complete implementation of
>>>>>>                               the VTT spec available,is there?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Carlos
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:43 PM, David
>>>>>>                               Singer <singer@apple.com
>>>>>>                               <mailto:singer@apple.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> it would be really cool to have an
>>>>>>                               authoring guide for VTT (unlike the
>>>>>>                               specification, which is essentially an
>>>>>>                               implementation guide) on
>>>>>>                               WebPlatformDocs.  There are some
>>>>>>                               possible starting points, below,
>>>>>>                               though of course to use any of this
>>>>>>                               material we’d need to work with the
>>>>>>                               authors and get permission.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Is there someone who would like to
>>>>>>                               pull this together and spearhead
>>>>>>                               getting a good authoring guide on this
>>>>>>                               important site?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                               http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/an-introduction-to-webvtt-and-track/
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                               http://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/WebVTT
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                               http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2011/10/12/html5-video-captioning.aspx
>>>>>>>>> http://www.delphiki.com/webvtt/
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                               http://demosthenes.info/blog/580/Make-Online-Video-Accessible-And-Searchable-With-WebVTT
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                               http://www.accessiq.org/news/features/2013/03/webvtt-and-captioning-on-the-web
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> David Singer
>>>>>>>> Multimedia and Software Standards,
>>>>>>                               Apple Inc.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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> 

David Singer
Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.
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