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Re: Placing Tutorials (was Re: VTT authoring guide on Web Platform Docs?)

From: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:39:41 +1100
Message-ID: <CAHp8n2n8K8BTx=Ae1_s5UiSVkM-c2=B7tCR4_TGbJ4PomNt3cw@mail.gmail.com>
To: David Singer <singer@apple.com>
Cc: Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com>, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, Jay Munro <jaymunro@microsoft.com>, Richard Eyre <rick.eyre@hotmail.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>, "public-texttracks@w3.org" <public-texttracks@w3.org>
Very nice!
Cheers,
Silvia.

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:24 AM, David Singer <singer@apple.com> wrote:
> Carlos, guys
>
> you are heroes!!  thank you!!
>
> On Feb 18, 2014, at 17:44 , Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry for the spam, I forgot to mention where it was uploaded to.
>>
>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/VTT_Captioning
>>
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2014, at 9:58 PM, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Carlos-
>>>
>>> You can upload the content whenever you like! If you need help with the process, I can lend a hand. Let me know what you need to get started. If you like, we can even set up a phone/skype call or IRC session to tackle it.
>>>
>>> Regards-
>>> -Doug
>>>
>>> On 1/12/14 1:19 PM, Carlos Araya wrote:
>>>> Doug,
>>>>
>>>> Let me know when to upload the content.
>>>>
>>>> I'll be happy to write the blog post :)
>>>>
>>>> Carlos
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Carlos-
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it should be under multimedia [1], which makes me realize that we should have multimedia as a top-level topic on our landing page [2].
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, are you interested in writing a post for our blog about your contribution, and about VTT (the history, the tech, the use cases, the market and competition, etc.)?
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/multimedia
>>>>> [2] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards-
>>>>> -Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/11/14 7:48 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
>>>>>> Also, I think we should really add a link to the spec at
>>>>>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/webvtt/ . ;-)
>>>>>> And also to the community group at http://www.w3.org/community/texttracks/ .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're keen, feel free to add the following links, too:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/track/basics/ - intro to text
>>>>>> tracks
>>>>>> * https://github.com/silviapfeiffer/WebVTT-with-regions - polyfill
>>>>>> experiments by editor
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> http://wiki.webmproject.org/webm-metadata/temporal-metadata/webvtt-in-webm
>>>>>> - specification for embedding WebVTT into WebM
>>>>>> * http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming-12 -
>>>>>> specification for using WebVTT as part of HTTP Live Streaming (HLS)
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> http://concolato.wp.mines-telecom.fr/2013/07/28/webvtt-mp4-files-dash-and-gpac/
>>>>>> - WebVTT in MP4
>>>>>> (which reminds me that a section on in-band WebVTT may be another useful
>>>>>> addition to the page)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Silvia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer
>>>>>> <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Ah excellent - I thought you might have missed it because I didn't
>>>>>>   receive a reply email. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Anyway, I just checked and found some typos that you may want to
>>>>>>   correct:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   1. Typo: missed a "by"
>>>>>>   s/Optional Cue Settings separated from the time one or more SPACE or
>>>>>>   TAB characters/Optional Cue Settings separated from the time by one
>>>>>>   or more SPACE or TAB characters/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   2. Non-readable sentences:
>>>>>>   "Using timestamp tags can build Karaoke Style tracks."
>>>>>>   I think you mean something like:
>>>>>>   "Timestamp tags can be used to build Karaoke style tracks."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   3. Typo: missed "are"
>>>>>>   s/Timestamp tags can also be used for Paint On captions, which
>>>>>>   placed independently from each other and don't erase what was
>>>>>>   already on the screen/Timestamp tags can also be used for Paint On
>>>>>>   captions, which are placed independently from each other and don't
>>>>>>   erase what was already on the screen/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Other than that, it's really looking awesome!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Cheers,
>>>>>>   Silvia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Carlos Araya
>>>>>>   <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Silvia,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Yes, I incorporated all feedback received on this thread into
>>>>>>       the document.  Is there something I missed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Carlos
>>>>>>       On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
>>>>>>       <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>       wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Hi Carlos,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       I gave you feedback on the other thread - has that been
>>>>>>>       incorporated?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Thanks,
>>>>>>>       Silvia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Carlos Araya
>>>>>>>       <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>           I think I'm good with the tutorial.  It could use one more
>>>>>>>           round of feedback before moving it to the WPD site.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>           That bring another question, what is the best place for
>>>>>>>           the VTT tutorial within the WPD doc web site? I haven't
>>>>>>>           made up my mind if it falls under HTML, Accessibility or
>>>>>>>           general web concepts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>           Any ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>           Carlos
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>           On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Carlos Araya
>>>>>>>           <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>           wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               Jay,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               I added the links as notes to the supported browsers
>>>>>>>               table.  Can you think of a better placement for the links?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               Carlos
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Jay Munro
>>>>>>>               <jaymunro@microsoft.com
>>>>>>>               <mailto:jaymunro@microsoft.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   Hi Carlos,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   Looks good, though here's a bit more:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   Under IE, you've got documentation on the HTML5
>>>>>>>                   Rocks site. While a good site, Microsoft has a lot
>>>>>>>                   of Text Track docs, with a number of examples.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   This is our technology start page:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ie/bg123962.aspx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   Here's where all the API docs are. The text track
>>>>>>>                   API is mixed in with the audio/video/media elements.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/ie/hh772500.aspx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   There's a set of text track samples here,
>>>>>>>                   including one that uses meta data to create a
>>>>>>>                   slide show. MSDN locks us out of actually having
>>>>>>>                   the demo online, so it might be a good candidate
>>>>>>>                   to put on WebPlatform.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/HTML5-Timed-Text-Track-9fddea75
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   Lastly, though a little dated, there's a demo on
>>>>>>>                   ietestdrive.com <http://ietestdrive.com/> that has
>>>>>>>                   an editor that will create WebVTT files (as well
>>>>>>>                   as TTML files). I've been meaning to get around to
>>>>>>>                   an update, but things have been busy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Graphics/CaptionMaker/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   IE HTML5 Timed Text Track sample in JavaScript,
>>>>>>>                   HTML for Visual Studio 2010
>>>>>>>                   The examples shown here use the HTML5 track
>>>>>>>                   element, and show you how to add video with
>>>>>>>                   captioning and other features to your webpages.
>>>>>>>                   Read more...
>>>>>>>                   <http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/HTML5-Timed-Text-Track-9fddea75>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>                   *From:* Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>>>>>>                   <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>                   *Sent:* Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:59 AM
>>>>>>>                   *To:* Richard Eyre
>>>>>>>                   *Cc:* Silvia Pfeiffer; David Singer;
>>>>>>>                   public-webplatform@w3.org
>>>>>>>                   <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>;
>>>>>>>                   public-texttracks@w3.org
>>>>>>>                   <mailto:public-texttracks@w3.org>; Doug Schepers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   *Subject:* Re: VTT authoring guide on Web Platform
>>>>>>>                   Docs?
>>>>>>>                   Richard,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   Thank you for the feedback.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   I've updated the information regarding Firefox
>>>>>>>                   Nightly and added  vtt.js to the lists of players
>>>>>>>                   and polyfills.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   What bug should I track for Cue formatting issues?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   Carlos
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Richard Eyre
>>>>>>>                   <rick.eyre@hotmail.com
>>>>>>>                   <mailto:rick.eyre@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                       I'm not sure if this got through to the list
>>>>>>>                       so if it did, apologies. I don't mean to spam
>>>>>>>                       the list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                       Looks good at a quick pass Carlos. Two things:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                       * Firefox Nightly is enabled by default now. A
>>>>>>>                       patch landed a few days ago for that.
>>>>>>>                       * Underneath the polyfill section you can list
>>>>>>>                       https://github.com/mozilla/vtt.js. It's a
>>>>>>>                       JavaScript implementation of the WebVTT spec
>>>>>>>                       (not the track spec). In the future it might
>>>>>>>                       evolve into a full <track> polyfill.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                       Rick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                       On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Carlos Araya
>>>>>>>                       <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>>>>>>                       <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                           I took a first stab at writing the VTT
>>>>>>>                           tutorial. It's currently hosted in Github
>>>>>>>                           to make it easier for people to contribute
>>>>>>>                           examples and edits to the page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                           https://github.com/caraya/vtt-demos/blob/master/video_captioning.md
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                           Please take a look at it and let me know
>>>>>>>                           what you think needs to be changed and
>>>>>>>                           what other things I should add.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                           Carlos
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                           On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Silvia
>>>>>>>                           Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com
>>>>>>>                           <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                               Great to hear your interest!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                               I would indeed encourage to write
>>>>>>>                               about implemented reality, even
>>>>>>>                               though that will probably continue to
>>>>>>>                               improve over the next few
>>>>>>>                               months.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                               You could explain the features as
>>>>>>>                               specified and then explain what
>>>>>>>                               works in the browsers now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                               This could, in fact, contribute to the
>>>>>>>                               testing efforts of the <track>
>>>>>>>                               element in HTML, see
>>>>>>>                               http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                               Cheers,
>>>>>>>                               Silvia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                               On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM,
>>>>>>>                               Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>>>>>>                               <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'd be interested in looking at
>>>>>>>                               working on something like this.
>>>>>>>                               However the first question that comes
>>>>>>>                               to mind is whether we write to the way
>>>>>>>                               the specification is written or to the
>>>>>>>                               way it is supported. As far as I know
>>>>>>>                               there is no complete implementation of
>>>>>>>                               the VTT spec available,is there?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Carlos
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:43 PM, David
>>>>>>>                               Singer <singer@apple.com
>>>>>>>                               <mailto:singer@apple.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it would be really cool to have an
>>>>>>>                               authoring guide for VTT (unlike the
>>>>>>>                               specification, which is essentially an
>>>>>>>                               implementation guide) on
>>>>>>>                               WebPlatformDocs.  There are some
>>>>>>>                               possible starting points, below,
>>>>>>>                               though of course to use any of this
>>>>>>>                               material we'd need to work with the
>>>>>>>                               authors and get permission.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there someone who would like to
>>>>>>>                               pull this together and spearhead
>>>>>>>                               getting a good authoring guide on this
>>>>>>>                               important site?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                               http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/an-introduction-to-webvtt-and-track/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                               http://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/WebVTT
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                               http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2011/10/12/html5-video-captioning.aspx
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.delphiki.com/webvtt/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                               http://demosthenes.info/blog/580/Make-Online-Video-Accessible-And-Searchable-With-WebVTT
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                               http://www.accessiq.org/news/features/2013/03/webvtt-and-captioning-on-the-web
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David Singer
>>>>>>>>> Multimedia and Software Standards,
>>>>>>>                               Apple Inc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> David Singer
> Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.
>
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