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Re: Placing Tutorials (was Re: VTT authoring guide on Web Platform Docs?)

From: Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 17:44:50 -0800
Cc: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>, Jay Munro <jaymunro@microsoft.com>, Richard Eyre <rick.eyre@hotmail.com>, David Singer <singer@apple.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>, "public-texttracks@w3.org" <public-texttracks@w3.org>
Message-Id: <D8004EBA-AB05-4109-86F6-090C855D4BA6@gmail.com>
To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Sorry for the spam, I forgot to mention where it was uploaded to. 

http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/VTT_Captioning


On Jan 13, 2014, at 9:58 PM, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:

> Hi, Carlos–
> 
> You can upload the content whenever you like! If you need help with the process, I can lend a hand. Let me know what you need to get started. If you like, we can even set up a phone/skype call or IRC session to tackle it.
> 
> Regards-
> -Doug
> 
> On 1/12/14 1:19 PM, Carlos Araya wrote:
>> Doug,
>> 
>> Let me know when to upload the content.
>> 
>> I'll be happy to write the blog post :)
>> 
>> Carlos
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, Carlos–
>>> 
>>> I think it should be under multimedia [1], which makes me realize that we should have multimedia as a top-level topic on our landing page [2].
>>> 
>>> Also, are you interested in writing a post for our blog about your contribution, and about VTT (the history, the tech, the use cases, the market and competition, etc.)?
>>> 
>>> [1] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/multimedia
>>> [2] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page
>>> 
>>> Regards-
>>> -Doug
>>> 
>>> On 1/11/14 7:48 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
>>>> Also, I think we should really add a link to the spec at
>>>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/webvtt/ . ;-)
>>>> And also to the community group at http://www.w3.org/community/texttracks/ .
>>>> 
>>>> If you're keen, feel free to add the following links, too:
>>>> 
>>>> * http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/track/basics/ - intro to text
>>>> tracks
>>>> * https://github.com/silviapfeiffer/WebVTT-with-regions - polyfill
>>>> experiments by editor
>>>> *
>>>> http://wiki.webmproject.org/webm-metadata/temporal-metadata/webvtt-in-webm
>>>> - specification for embedding WebVTT into WebM
>>>> * http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming-12 -
>>>> specification for using WebVTT as part of HTTP Live Streaming (HLS)
>>>> *
>>>> http://concolato.wp.mines-telecom.fr/2013/07/28/webvtt-mp4-files-dash-and-gpac/
>>>> - WebVTT in MP4
>>>> (which reminds me that a section on in-band WebVTT may be another useful
>>>> addition to the page)
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Silvia.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer
>>>> <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>    Ah excellent - I thought you might have missed it because I didn't
>>>>    receive a reply email. ;-)
>>>> 
>>>>    Anyway, I just checked and found some typos that you may want to
>>>>    correct:
>>>> 
>>>>    1. Typo: missed a "by"
>>>>    s/Optional Cue Settings separated from the time one or more SPACE or
>>>>    TAB characters/Optional Cue Settings separated from the time by one
>>>>    or more SPACE or TAB characters/
>>>> 
>>>>    2. Non-readable sentences:
>>>>    "Using timestamp tags can build Karaoke Style tracks."
>>>>    I think you mean something like:
>>>>    "Timestamp tags can be used to build Karaoke style tracks."
>>>> 
>>>>    3. Typo: missed "are"
>>>>    s/Timestamp tags can also be used for Paint On captions, which
>>>>    placed independently from each other and don't erase what was
>>>>    already on the screen/Timestamp tags can also be used for Paint On
>>>>    captions, which are placed independently from each other and don't
>>>>    erase what was already on the screen/
>>>> 
>>>>    Other than that, it's really looking awesome!
>>>> 
>>>>    Cheers,
>>>>    Silvia.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Carlos Araya
>>>>    <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>        Silvia,
>>>> 
>>>>        Yes, I incorporated all feedback received on this thread into
>>>>        the document.  Is there something I missed?
>>>> 
>>>>        Carlos
>>>>        On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
>>>>        <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>>
>>>>        wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>        Hi Carlos,
>>>>> 
>>>>>        I gave you feedback on the other thread - has that been
>>>>>        incorporated?
>>>>> 
>>>>>        Thanks,
>>>>>        Silvia.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>        On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Carlos Araya
>>>>>        <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>            I think I'm good with the tutorial.  It could use one more
>>>>>            round of feedback before moving it to the WPD site.
>>>>> 
>>>>>            That bring another question, what is the best place for
>>>>>            the VTT tutorial within the WPD doc web site? I haven't
>>>>>            made up my mind if it falls under HTML, Accessibility or
>>>>>            general web concepts.
>>>>> 
>>>>>            Any ideas?
>>>>> 
>>>>>            Carlos
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>            On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Carlos Araya
>>>>>            <carlos.araya@gmail.com <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>>
>>>>>            wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>                Jay,
>>>>> 
>>>>>                I added the links as notes to the supported browsers
>>>>>                table.  Can you think of a better placement for the links?
>>>>> 
>>>>>                Carlos
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>                On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Jay Munro
>>>>>                <jaymunro@microsoft.com
>>>>>                <mailto:jaymunro@microsoft.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>                    Hi Carlos,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>                    Looks good, though here's a bit more:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>                    Under IE, you've got documentation on the HTML5
>>>>>                    Rocks site. While a good site, Microsoft has a lot
>>>>>                    of Text Track docs, with a number of examples.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>                    This is our technology start page:
>>>>> 
>>>>>                    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ie/bg123962.aspx
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>                    Here's where all the API docs are. The text track
>>>>>                    API is mixed in with the audio/video/media elements.
>>>>> 
>>>>>                    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/ie/hh772500.aspx
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>                    There's a set of text track samples here,
>>>>>                    including one that uses meta data to create a
>>>>>                    slide show. MSDN locks us out of actually having
>>>>>                    the demo online, so it might be a good candidate
>>>>>                    to put on WebPlatform.
>>>>> 
>>>>>                    http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/HTML5-Timed-Text-Track-9fddea75
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>                    Lastly, though a little dated, there's a demo on
>>>>>                    ietestdrive.com <http://ietestdrive.com/> that has
>>>>>                    an editor that will create WebVTT files (as well
>>>>>                    as TTML files). I've been meaning to get around to
>>>>>                    an update, but things have been busy.
>>>>> 
>>>>>                    http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Graphics/CaptionMaker/
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>                    IE HTML5 Timed Text Track sample in JavaScript,
>>>>>                    HTML for Visual Studio 2010
>>>>>                    The examples shown here use the HTML5 track
>>>>>                    element, and show you how to add video with
>>>>>                    captioning and other features to your webpages.
>>>>>                    Read more...
>>>>>                    <http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/HTML5-Timed-Text-Track-9fddea75>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>                    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>                    *From:* Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>>>>                    <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>>
>>>>>                    *Sent:* Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:59 AM
>>>>>                    *To:* Richard Eyre
>>>>>                    *Cc:* Silvia Pfeiffer; David Singer;
>>>>>                    public-webplatform@w3.org
>>>>>                    <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>;
>>>>>                    public-texttracks@w3.org
>>>>>                    <mailto:public-texttracks@w3.org>; Doug Schepers
>>>>> 
>>>>>                    *Subject:* Re: VTT authoring guide on Web Platform
>>>>>                    Docs?
>>>>>                    Richard,
>>>>> 
>>>>>                    Thank you for the feedback.
>>>>> 
>>>>>                    I've updated the information regarding Firefox
>>>>>                    Nightly and added  vtt.js to the lists of players
>>>>>                    and polyfills.
>>>>> 
>>>>>                    What bug should I track for Cue formatting issues?
>>>>> 
>>>>>                    Carlos
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>                    On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Richard Eyre
>>>>>                    <rick.eyre@hotmail.com
>>>>>                    <mailto:rick.eyre@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>                        I'm not sure if this got through to the list
>>>>>                        so if it did, apologies. I don't mean to spam
>>>>>                        the list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>                        Looks good at a quick pass Carlos. Two things:
>>>>> 
>>>>>                        * Firefox Nightly is enabled by default now. A
>>>>>                        patch landed a few days ago for that.
>>>>>                        * Underneath the polyfill section you can list
>>>>>                        https://github.com/mozilla/vtt.js. It's a
>>>>>                        JavaScript implementation of the WebVTT spec
>>>>>                        (not the track spec). In the future it might
>>>>>                        evolve into a full <track> polyfill.
>>>>> 
>>>>>                        Rick
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>                        On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Carlos Araya
>>>>>                        <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>>>>                        <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>                            I took a first stab at writing the VTT
>>>>>                            tutorial. It's currently hosted in Github
>>>>>                            to make it easier for people to contribute
>>>>>                            examples and edits to the page.
>>>>> 
>>>>>                            https://github.com/caraya/vtt-demos/blob/master/video_captioning.md
>>>>> 
>>>>>                            Please take a look at it and let me know
>>>>>                            what you think needs to be changed and
>>>>>                            what other things I should add.
>>>>> 
>>>>>                            Carlos
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>                            On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Silvia
>>>>>                            Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com
>>>>>                            <mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>                                Great to hear your interest!
>>>>> 
>>>>>                                I would indeed encourage to write
>>>>>                                about implemented reality, even
>>>>>                                though that will probably continue to
>>>>>                                improve over the next few
>>>>>                                months.
>>>>> 
>>>>>                                You could explain the features as
>>>>>                                specified and then explain what
>>>>>                                works in the browsers now.
>>>>> 
>>>>>                                This could, in fact, contribute to the
>>>>>                                testing efforts of the <track>
>>>>>                                element in HTML, see
>>>>>                                http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing .
>>>>> 
>>>>>                                Cheers,
>>>>>                                Silvia.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>                                On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM,
>>>>>                                Carlos Araya <carlos.araya@gmail.com
>>>>>                                <mailto:carlos.araya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>                                > I'd be interested in looking at
>>>>>                                working on something like this.
>>>>>                                However the first question that comes
>>>>>                                to mind is whether we write to the way
>>>>>                                the specification is written or to the
>>>>>                                way it is supported. As far as I know
>>>>>                                there is no complete implementation of
>>>>>                                the VTT spec available,is there?
>>>>>                                >
>>>>>                                >
>>>>>                                > Carlos
>>>>>                                >
>>>>>                                > Sent from my iPad
>>>>>                                >
>>>>>                                >> On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:43 PM, David
>>>>>                                Singer <singer@apple.com
>>>>>                                <mailto:singer@apple.com>> wrote:
>>>>>                                >>
>>>>>                                >> Hi
>>>>>                                >>
>>>>>                                >> it would be really cool to have an
>>>>>                                authoring guide for VTT (unlike the
>>>>>                                specification, which is essentially an
>>>>>                                implementation guide) on
>>>>>                                WebPlatformDocs.  There are some
>>>>>                                possible starting points, below,
>>>>>                                though of course to use any of this
>>>>>                                material we’d need to work with the
>>>>>                                authors and get permission.
>>>>>                                >>
>>>>>                                >> Is there someone who would like to
>>>>>                                pull this together and spearhead
>>>>>                                getting a good authoring guide on this
>>>>>                                important site?
>>>>>                                >>
>>>>>                                >>
>>>>>                                >>
>>>>>                                >>>
>>>>>                                http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/an-introduction-to-webvtt-and-track/
>>>>>                                >>>
>>>>>                                http://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/WebVTT
>>>>>                                >>>
>>>>>                                http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2011/10/12/html5-video-captioning.aspx
>>>>>                                >>> http://www.delphiki.com/webvtt/
>>>>>                                >>>
>>>>>                                http://demosthenes.info/blog/580/Make-Online-Video-Accessible-And-Searchable-With-WebVTT
>>>>>                                >>>
>>>>>                                http://www.accessiq.org/news/features/2013/03/webvtt-and-captioning-on-the-web
>>>>>                                >>
>>>>>                                >> David Singer
>>>>>                                >> Multimedia and Software Standards,
>>>>>                                Apple Inc.
>>>>>                                >>
>>>>>                                >>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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