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Re: Birthday blog post

From: Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:08:01 -0700
To: Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, PhistucK <phistuck@gmail.com>
CC: Francesco Iovine <f.iovine@gmail.com>, Alex Komoroske <komoroske@google.com>, Julee <julee@adobe.com>, Andre Jay Meissner <ameissne@adobe.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>
Message-ID: <CE855935.99FDF%jburdeki@adobe.com>
That was when I was logged out. Same when I logged in. (Although trying to log in gave me this error at first: "Server Hangup - Description: Server Hangup - Z")

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@adobejulee

From: Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com<mailto:Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>>
Date: Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:05 AM
To: julee <jburdeki@adobe.com<mailto:jburdeki@adobe.com>>, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com<mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>, PhistucK <phistuck@gmail.com<mailto:phistuck@gmail.com>>
Cc: Francesco Iovine <f.iovine@gmail.com<mailto:f.iovine@gmail.com>>, Alex Komoroske <komoroske@google.com<mailto:komoroske@google.com>>, julee <julee@adobe.com<mailto:julee@adobe.com>>, Andre Jay Meissner <ameissne@adobe.com<mailto:ameissne@adobe.com>>, WebPlatform Public List <public-webplatform@w3.org<mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>
Subject: RE: Birthday blog post

I repro what Julee sees.

From: Julee Burdekin [mailto:jburdeki@adobe.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:01 AM
To: Scott Rowe; PhistucK
Cc: Francesco Iovine; Eliot Graff; Alex Komoroske; Julee; Andre Jay Meissner; public-webplatform@w3.org<mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Birthday blog post

Weird. When I go to blog.webplatform.org, I see my post from September and there's no October in the right-nav.

Scott: can you send the permalink?

Renoir: Why isn't blog.webplatform.org showing the latest blog post?

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@adobejulee

From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com<mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
Date: Thursday, October 17, 2013 7:47 AM
To: PhistucK <phistuck@gmail.com<mailto:phistuck@gmail.com>>
Cc: Francesco Iovine <f.iovine@gmail.com<mailto:f.iovine@gmail.com>>, julee <jburdeki@adobe.com<mailto:jburdeki@adobe.com>>, Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com<mailto:Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>>, Alex Komoroske <komoroske@google.com<mailto:komoroske@google.com>>, julee <julee@adobe.com<mailto:julee@adobe.com>>, Andre Jay Meissner <ameissne@adobe.com<mailto:ameissne@adobe.com>>, WebPlatform Public List <public-webplatform@w3.org<mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: Birthday blog post

Hmm. Works for me. I removed all your citations, as requested, PhistucK.
~Scott


On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 11:09 PM, PhistucK <phistuck@gmail.com<mailto:phistuck@gmail.com>> wrote:
The preview is no longer available for some reason (and the post is not published).


☆PhistucK

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Francesco Iovine <f.iovine@gmail.com<mailto:f.iovine@gmail.com>> wrote:
Well done Scott!

For the post about the birthday party, feel free to use my picture of the cake if you don't have a better quality photo:

https://twitter.com/franciov/status/389005249815801856

Ciao ;)

Francesco<https://twitter.com/franciov>

On 17 October 2013 00:09, Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com<mailto:jburdeki@adobe.com>> wrote:
+1


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From: Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com<mailto:Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>>
Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:00 PM
To: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com<mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
Cc: Alex Komoroske <komoroske@google.com<mailto:komoroske@google.com>>, julee <julee@adobe.com<mailto:julee@adobe.com>>, Andre Jay Meissner <ameissne@adobe.com<mailto:ameissne@adobe.com>>, WebPlatform Public List <public-webplatform@w3.org<mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>, PhistucK <phistuck@gmail.com<mailto:phistuck@gmail.com>>
Subject: RE: Birthday blog post

Thanks, Scott.

So (trying to recap, here), Scott’s gotten feedback, which he can incorporate if he chooses. With the exception of linking to or not linking to people’s pages, the feedback was made up of suggestions, none of which constituted a request to block the publication of the blog post. As far as I can tell, everyone said looks good to me.

Is that how others see where we are?

Thanks,

Eliot

From: Scott Rowe [mailto:scottrowe@google.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 1:55 PM
To: Eliot Graff
Cc: Alex Komoroske; Julee; Andre Jay Meissner; public-webplatform@w3.org<mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>; PhistucK
Subject: Re: Birthday blog post

Thanks to all who have commented in this thread. While it is lamentable that we did not formulate and execute a press strategy for the birthday announcement, such a strategy is quite separate from the considerations for reporting the business of WPD in the blog. Also, the risk of "blowing" a wider publicity opportunity by celebrating our anniversary in the blog is not significant.

Following the communication on the subject (that has been in circulation on this e-mail list for the last month), here is what we have planned to do:

1. The first post on the subject was the post announcing the doc sprint [1], it effectively invites the community to the birthday party.

2. A birthday celebration post (the subject of this thread) that recognizes and celebrates the efforts of the whole community over the last year.

3. A birthday celebration post that chronicles the actual birthday-party-slash-doc-sprint anticipated in the earlier blog post [1] announcing the doc sprint.

We are using the blog to celebrate the first anniversary with and for the community through several perspectives, with a post for each. (You will note that these posts have a common motif: the altered and repurposed images of paintings by Dutch masters. Indeed, doing this is not only legal, but it is actively encouraged and facilitated by the Rijksmuseum - but that may be the subject of yet another blog post and certainly beyond the scope of this discussion.)

The first post was designed to pique interest and generate anticipation of the birthday across the community.

The second post celebrates the birthday for the community generally, and those in the community specifically who made outstanding contributions to WPD during the year. We would be remiss if we did not acknowledge their contributions within the context of a birthday celebration. We may not be able to serve them a piece of cake, but we can, and should, include them in the celebration.

The third post will report the results of the birthday-party-slash-doc-sprint. It, too will say "Happy Birthday!" and acknowledge the contributions of doc sprint participants. This one will have the pictures of the cake, as well as the doctored images of paintings by Dutch masters, and the compulsory shots of happy, productive doc sprint participants.

Note that the blog is largely us speaking to ourselves. It is not a press release. Furthermore, with none of this communication are we in danger of mis-communicating what is happening on WPD currently. Rather, we are responsibly reporting the business of WPD, as the blog intends.

If the stewards want to generate a public relations announcement, replete with a communication strategy like that implemented last year at launch, those interested in doing so should get busy now. There are only a few weeks left in the month.

To those of you who have responded with specific comments on the substance of this post - credit where credit is due, clarifications, etc. - I thank you and I will incorporate your comments.

[1] http://blog.webplatform.org/2013/09/web-platform-doc-sprint-amsterdam-october-12/

Thanks!
~Scott



On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com<mailto:Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>> wrote:
I understand Alex’s concern about wasting our press engagement; however, I think that a blog post here is a good idea (with a few edits).

We blog (somewhat) regularly about events and milestones. And the press does not glom onto them as official press releases. If we do, indeed, lower the fanfare a tad and keep this long one of two things will happen. The press will either ignore it (most likely, given past behavior), or they will notice it and fill copy with it. This is not a big announcement, nor is there anything press worthy in it, with one exception: “Webplatform has been live for a year. What have they done?” Not a big story. If they do want to run the story, though, this provides the background. We should really make sure that at the end we say, “We will reach a milestone in the next 60 days, one that we are proud of and one which we will announce on the blog. Stay tuned….”

Overall, I like the post. The litany of accomplishments is good, accurate, and not overblown. The section headers could be toned down, but the structure and flow are really nice. Great job, Scott!

Consistency in the voice would be good, and switching to third person would be best, IMHO. From:
We’ve also developed a comprehensive CSS properties reference<http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/properties>.
To
The team developed a comprehensive CSS properties reference<http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/properties>.
Etc.

I’d love to be able to edit this, but I am really tied up today and tomorrow with the release of IE11 and Windows 8.1.

My 2 cents
Eliot

PS. One specific passage I had a question about was this one:

Thanks to the invaluable efforts of Dave Gash<http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/User:Dgash>, Mike Sierra<http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/User:Sierra>, Lance Leonard<http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/User:Lleonard>, and many others, we reorganized the API Reference<http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/apis>, updating 9 imported documents and adding 13 new documents, in over 730 pages.

I’m not quite sure how to parse that.

From: Alex Komoroske [mailto:komoroske@google.com<mailto:komoroske@google.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:28 AM
To: Julee
Cc: Eliot Graff; Andre Jay Meissner; Scott Rowe; public-webplatform@w3.org<mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>; PhistucK

Subject: Re: Birthday blog post

I realize my earlier comments may not have been clear.

My basic point boils down to: we get one free chance to engage tech press for an announcement around our birthday. We're close to having something meaty (CSS Properties), but we aren't there yet to have a big announcement. A "year in review" that is not positioned to grab press attention (like this post) is a great idea (and it's extremely well executed and exhaustively researched by Scott--many props). I just want to be careful about making this a "happy birthday" post that could accidentally engage the press and blow our one-free-announcement card.

Luckily, in my personal opinion it's easy to avoid accidental press pickup by softening the "birthday" language, and by keeping it long and in depth (so scratch that point in my earlier comments).

--Alex (the guy who apparently loves parentheticals) Komoroske



On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Julee <julee@adobe.com<mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
Eliot:

As the keeper of the blog, what do you think? We talked last Friday about having a birthday post sooner rather than later, but I also see Alex's point. Would you please weigh in?

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@adobejulee

From: Alex Komoroske <komoroske@google.com<mailto:komoroske@google.com>>
Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:44 AM
To: PhistucK <phistuck@gmail.com<mailto:phistuck@gmail.com>>
Cc: Andre Jay Meissner <ameissne@adobe.com<mailto:ameissne@adobe.com>>, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com<mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>, WebPlatform Public List <public-webplatform@w3.org<mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: Birthday blog post

Thanks for writing this up, Scott! Overall it's well written and gives a lot of great shoutouts.

A few high-level comments:

 *   The post uses first person a few times, which seems a bit informal for an Official Announcement on the Official Blog. (Although it's possible I just have weird preferences--what do others think?)
 *   It's looooooooong. It's a great, in-depth overview of progress in the past year, but it might be too much for a general audience to read through.
 *   We had talked in the past about using the birthday timing for a more concerted marketing push. That implies to me that we might want to de-emphasize the one year birthday angle in this post so we can "save it" for a bigger push. One way to do that is to keep this post comprehensive (which is pretty inside baseball and won't be particularly interesting to press), and play down the "OMG it's our birthday" angle just slightly in the intro and title. Does that make sense? Is it a silly idea?
I haven't had a chance to leave specific, low-level comments.

--Alex

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:12 AM, PhistucK <phistuck@gmail.com<mailto:phistuck@gmail.com>> wrote:
Oh, now I see there are two mentions - please, remove both of them (one is "Phistuk").

Thank you for trying. ;)


☆PhistucK

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:07 PM, PhistucK <phistuck@gmail.com<mailto:phistuck@gmail.com>> wrote:
Please, remove my name from the post, I do not need any credit.
(It was pointing to the wrong link anyway)


☆PhistucK

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Andre Jay Meissner <ameissne@adobe.com<mailto:ameissne@adobe.com>> wrote:
Great work Scott! Minor spelling fix (good old "Doc Sprint" FTW!), already in. Wondered if we could add 2-3 more images, could just be a pic of the great Amsterdam cake and maybe the Doc Sprint logo or so. Also thanks for giving me good reason to finally pimp my user profile a bit! :)) *Jay


Von: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com<mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
Datum: KW 42 | Mittwoch, 16. Oktober 2013 01:29
An: "public-webplatform@w3.org<mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>" <public-webplatform@w3.org<mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>
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Blog reviewers, please take a look at this draft:

http://blog.webplatform.org/?p=729&preview=1&_ppp=9c032ed7ef

Append your comments and suggestions to this thread.

Thanks!
~Scott








Francesco<https://twitter.com/franciov>

On 17 October 2013 00:09, Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com<mailto:jburdeki@adobe.com>> wrote:
+1


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From: Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com<mailto:Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>>
Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:00 PM
To: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com<mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
Cc: Alex Komoroske <komoroske@google.com<mailto:komoroske@google.com>>, julee <julee@adobe.com<mailto:julee@adobe.com>>, Andre Jay Meissner <ameissne@adobe.com<mailto:ameissne@adobe.com>>, WebPlatform Public List <public-webplatform@w3.org<mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>, PhistucK <phistuck@gmail.com<mailto:phistuck@gmail.com>>
Subject: RE: Birthday blog post

Thanks, Scott.

So (trying to recap, here), Scott’s gotten feedback, which he can incorporate if he chooses. With the exception of linking to or not linking to people’s pages, the feedback was made up of suggestions, none of which constituted a request to block the publication of the blog post. As far as I can tell, everyone said looks good to me.

Is that how others see where we are?

Thanks,

Eliot

From: Scott Rowe [mailto:scottrowe@google.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 1:55 PM
To: Eliot Graff
Cc: Alex Komoroske; Julee; Andre Jay Meissner; public-webplatform@w3.org<mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>; PhistucK
Subject: Re: Birthday blog post

Thanks to all who have commented in this thread. While it is lamentable that we did not formulate and execute a press strategy for the birthday announcement, such a strategy is quite separate from the considerations for reporting the business of WPD in the blog. Also, the risk of "blowing" a wider publicity opportunity by celebrating our anniversary in the blog is not significant.

Following the communication on the subject (that has been in circulation on this e-mail list for the last month), here is what we have planned to do:

1. The first post on the subject was the post announcing the doc sprint [1], it effectively invites the community to the birthday party.

2. A birthday celebration post (the subject of this thread) that recognizes and celebrates the efforts of the whole community over the last year.

3. A birthday celebration post that chronicles the actual birthday-party-slash-doc-sprint anticipated in the earlier blog post [1] announcing the doc sprint.

We are using the blog to celebrate the first anniversary with and for the community through several perspectives, with a post for each. (You will note that these posts have a common motif: the altered and repurposed images of paintings by Dutch masters. Indeed, doing this is not only legal, but it is actively encouraged and facilitated by the Rijksmuseum - but that may be the subject of yet another blog post and certainly beyond the scope of this discussion.)

The first post was designed to pique interest and generate anticipation of the birthday across the community.

The second post celebrates the birthday for the community generally, and those in the community specifically who made outstanding contributions to WPD during the year. We would be remiss if we did not acknowledge their contributions within the context of a birthday celebration. We may not be able to serve them a piece of cake, but we can, and should, include them in the celebration.

The third post will report the results of the birthday-party-slash-doc-sprint. It, too will say "Happy Birthday!" and acknowledge the contributions of doc sprint participants. This one will have the pictures of the cake, as well as the doctored images of paintings by Dutch masters, and the compulsory shots of happy, productive doc sprint participants.

Note that the blog is largely us speaking to ourselves. It is not a press release. Furthermore, with none of this communication are we in danger of mis-communicating what is happening on WPD currently. Rather, we are responsibly reporting the business of WPD, as the blog intends.

If the stewards want to generate a public relations announcement, replete with a communication strategy like that implemented last year at launch, those interested in doing so should get busy now. There are only a few weeks left in the month.

To those of you who have responded with specific comments on the substance of this post - credit where credit is due, clarifications, etc. - I thank you and I will incorporate your comments.

[1] http://blog.webplatform.org/2013/09/web-platform-doc-sprint-amsterdam-october-12/

Thanks!
~Scott



On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com<mailto:Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>> wrote:
I understand Alex’s concern about wasting our press engagement; however, I think that a blog post here is a good idea (with a few edits).

We blog (somewhat) regularly about events and milestones. And the press does not glom onto them as official press releases. If we do, indeed, lower the fanfare a tad and keep this long one of two things will happen. The press will either ignore it (most likely, given past behavior), or they will notice it and fill copy with it. This is not a big announcement, nor is there anything press worthy in it, with one exception: “Webplatform has been live for a year. What have they done?” Not a big story. If they do want to run the story, though, this provides the background. We should really make sure that at the end we say, “We will reach a milestone in the next 60 days, one that we are proud of and one which we will announce on the blog. Stay tuned….”

Overall, I like the post. The litany of accomplishments is good, accurate, and not overblown. The section headers could be toned down, but the structure and flow are really nice. Great job, Scott!

Consistency in the voice would be good, and switching to third person would be best, IMHO. From:
We’ve also developed a comprehensive CSS properties reference<http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/properties>.
To
The team developed a comprehensive CSS properties reference<http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/properties>.
Etc.

I’d love to be able to edit this, but I am really tied up today and tomorrow with the release of IE11 and Windows 8.1.

My 2 cents
Eliot

PS. One specific passage I had a question about was this one:

Thanks to the invaluable efforts of Dave Gash<http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/User:Dgash>, Mike Sierra<http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/User:Sierra>, Lance Leonard<http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/User:Lleonard>, and many others, we reorganized the API Reference<http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/apis>, updating 9 imported documents and adding 13 new documents, in over 730 pages.

I’m not quite sure how to parse that.

From: Alex Komoroske [mailto:komoroske@google.com<mailto:komoroske@google.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:28 AM
To: Julee
Cc: Eliot Graff; Andre Jay Meissner; Scott Rowe; public-webplatform@w3.org<mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>; PhistucK

Subject: Re: Birthday blog post

I realize my earlier comments may not have been clear.

My basic point boils down to: we get one free chance to engage tech press for an announcement around our birthday. We're close to having something meaty (CSS Properties), but we aren't there yet to have a big announcement. A "year in review" that is not positioned to grab press attention (like this post) is a great idea (and it's extremely well executed and exhaustively researched by Scott--many props). I just want to be careful about making this a "happy birthday" post that could accidentally engage the press and blow our one-free-announcement card.

Luckily, in my personal opinion it's easy to avoid accidental press pickup by softening the "birthday" language, and by keeping it long and in depth (so scratch that point in my earlier comments).

--Alex (the guy who apparently loves parentheticals) Komoroske



On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Julee <julee@adobe.com<mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
Eliot:

As the keeper of the blog, what do you think? We talked last Friday about having a birthday post sooner rather than later, but I also see Alex's point. Would you please weigh in?

J
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julee@adobe.com<mailto:julee@adobe.com>
@adobejulee

From: Alex Komoroske <komoroske@google.com<mailto:komoroske@google.com>>
Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:44 AM
To: PhistucK <phistuck@gmail.com<mailto:phistuck@gmail.com>>
Cc: Andre Jay Meissner <ameissne@adobe.com<mailto:ameissne@adobe.com>>, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com<mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>, WebPlatform Public List <public-webplatform@w3.org<mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: Birthday blog post

Thanks for writing this up, Scott! Overall it's well written and gives a lot of great shoutouts.

A few high-level comments:

 *   The post uses first person a few times, which seems a bit informal for an Official Announcement on the Official Blog. (Although it's possible I just have weird preferences--what do others think?)
 *   It's looooooooong. It's a great, in-depth overview of progress in the past year, but it might be too much for a general audience to read through.
 *   We had talked in the past about using the birthday timing for a more concerted marketing push. That implies to me that we might want to de-emphasize the one year birthday angle in this post so we can "save it" for a bigger push. One way to do that is to keep this post comprehensive (which is pretty inside baseball and won't be particularly interesting to press), and play down the "OMG it's our birthday" angle just slightly in the intro and title. Does that make sense? Is it a silly idea?
I haven't had a chance to leave specific, low-level comments.

--Alex

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:12 AM, PhistucK <phistuck@gmail.com<mailto:phistuck@gmail.com>> wrote:
Oh, now I see there are two mentions - please, remove both of them (one is "Phistuk").

Thank you for trying. ;)


☆PhistucK

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:07 PM, PhistucK <phistuck@gmail.com<mailto:phistuck@gmail.com>> wrote:
Please, remove my name from the post, I do not need any credit.
(It was pointing to the wrong link anyway)


☆PhistucK

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Andre Jay Meissner <ameissne@adobe.com<mailto:ameissne@adobe.com>> wrote:
Great work Scott! Minor spelling fix (good old "Doc Sprint" FTW!), already in. Wondered if we could add 2-3 more images, could just be a pic of the great Amsterdam cake and maybe the Doc Sprint logo or so. Also thanks for giving me good reason to finally pimp my user profile a bit! :)) *Jay


Von: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com<mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
Datum: KW 42 | Mittwoch, 16. Oktober 2013 01:29
An: "public-webplatform@w3.org<mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>" <public-webplatform@w3.org<mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>
Betreff: Birthday blog post
Neu gesendet von: "public-webplatform@w3.org<mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>" <public-webplatform@w3.org<mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>
Neu gesendet am: KW 42 | Mittwoch, 16. Oktober 2013 01:30

Blog reviewers, please take a look at this draft:

http://blog.webplatform.org/?p=729&preview=1&_ppp=9c032ed7ef

Append your comments and suggestions to this thread.

Thanks!
~Scott
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