- From: Jonathan Garbee <jonathan@garbee.me>
- Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:54:01 -0400
- To: "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CANQy2y0o1OvJ7Cg-mUcV24-Op9ioM6w=G1AJwXDrTCi7He3JVQ@mail.gmail.com>
I just feel like being called out as a "most active" contributor feels odd to me. Since I see Mike Sierra and David Gash (sorry if I destroyed names here) as those kinds of people since they actually worked through the session issues on the docs. I do like both of the recommended changes much better. I'll let it be decided which to go with by letting a coin get flipped. (Although I am preferential to being called a shadow-king since that is just flat out hilarious.) On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote: > Hi, Garbee- > > I'll honor your wish, of course... but first, please let me try to put a > framing on it to try to persuade you otherwise. > > 1) You *are* one of our more active contributors... code, review, > discussion, and organization are all contributions as well, not just content > > 2) It is desirable for us to publicly call out our specific community > members... especially ones that don't work for the stewards, because: > > 2a) It shows that there are active contributors > > 2b) It puts a human face on the project > > 2c) It motivates some people to get involved, knowing that they will > receive attribution > > 3) This will look good on a resume for you :) > > 4) I don't think this is very strongly worded at all (you might just be > sensitive to seeing your name called out like this) > > 5) My appreciation for your initiative and drive is genuine, and I want to > express that > > So, in that light, would this wording make you more comfortable? > > [[ > One of our more active community members, Garbee, researched alternative > issue trackers, > ]] > > Or how about this? > > [[ > Garbee, shadow-king of awesome, researched alternative issue trackers, > ]] > > Regards- > -Doug > > > On 4/11/13 7:29 PM, Jonathan Garbee wrote: > >> After a quick glance over it, I am fine with the draft except for one >> little thing. " One of our most active contributors, Garbee, >> researched alternative, " I really don't like this. I'd rather not be >> called out as one of the most active contributors (especially since I >> have done barely any actual documentation editing like I really want >> to.) If we could drop the opening entirely or find someway to reword it >> so it doesn't seem so strong I would appreciate it very much. >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Janet Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com >> <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>> wrote: >> >> There's some ambiguity around the pronoun 'we' in this post. In the >> context of launching the site, it refers to the Stewards. In the >> context of decisions being made currently, it refers to the most >> active participants in the project, which includes both Steward >> staff members and volunteers, i.e., "the community" as it exists >> today. >> >> Along similar lines, the phrase "ways for the community to talk back >> to us about how to improve the site" sets up an unnecessary >> division. Something like "ways for visitors to interact and become >> part of the community improving the site" would be more inclusive >> and inviting. >> >> --Janet >> >> >> >> On 4/10/13 2:50 PM, Doug Schepers wrote: >> >>> Hi, folks- >>> >>> Here's the rough first draft, without the links to resources. >>> Feedback welcome! >>> >>> http://blog.webplatform.org/?**p=318&preview=true<http://blog.webplatform.org/?p=318&preview=true> >>> >>> [[ >>> Suspending Q&A Forums >>> Apr 10 2013 by Shepazu >>> >>> When we launched WebPlatform.org, we wanted to have plenty of ways >>> for the community to talk back to us about how to improve the >>> site, and how to pitch in. IRC was a familiar option for many of >>> us. Email lists were another, for long-term asynchronous >>> discussions. An issue tracker was important to make sure we knew >>> what needed to be done, and how it was progressing. An inline >>> comments extension for Mediawiki was developed as an improvement >>> on Talk pages. Community teleconferences to talk about tasks and >>> progress. Doc Sprints to onramp new people into the community, and >>> get work done. And a Q&A forum, like the popular and useful >>> StackOverflow. >>> >>> After evaluating the most productive ways that our community has >>> used each of these channels, we are closing down the Q&A forum, >>> and refining some of our other communication processes. >>> >>> The software we used for the Q&A forum, Question2Answer, seemed to >>> perform the task well. Our problem was communicating how to use >>> the forums, and integrating feedback into our workflow. People >>> tended to use the Q&A much as they would StackOverflow, to ask >>> technical, pragmatic questions about doing Web development. Though >>> our intent for it was more to act as a living FAQ and suggestion >>> board for content on Web Platform Docs, questions about Web >>> development were natural, and we did try to use these questions to >>> help guide us in what content we would create for WPD. But the Q&A >>> forums were never as focused as other channels, and ultimately >>> there was not enough energy in our fledgling community to mine the >>> Q&A forums for gems while keeping our eyes and hands on the tasks >>> ahead of us. So, we’ve decided to close down the Q&A forums to >>> refocus on what is working well: IRC, email, telcons, doc sprints, >>> and our issue tracker. >>> >>> We’re also looking at refining those communication channels we are >>> keeping around. We started out with W3C’s go-to issue tracker, >>> Bugzilla, but found it lacking. One of our most active >>> contributors, Garbee, researched alternative, and convinced us >>> that The Bug Genie has the feature set we wanted for not only >>> filing and managing issues, but overall project management as >>> well; he is taking the initiative to configure our new instance at >>> project.webplatform.org <http://project.webplatform.**org<http://project.webplatform.org>>, >>> and port >>> >>> over old issues. Another active contributor, Frozenice, has been >>> researching The Bug Genie’s API, so we can push issues directly in >>> via the inline comment system in the wiki. Two W3C staff, Denis >>> Ah-Kang and Lea Verou, have also helped by respectively installing >>> the system and skinning it to match our site’s look-and-feel. >>> >>> We are also strengthening one communications channel that we >>> initially undervalued: Github. We are putting infrastructure into >>> place to make all the code for WebPlatform.org available through >>> Github, including our MediaWiki extensions, templates, skins, and >>> stylesheets. >>> >>> We don’t know yet if we are retiring the Q&A forums forever. We >>> are keeping the software installed, with all the questions and >>> answers intact, but are not allowing any new questions or answers. >>> Once our primary and immediate goal of documenting the Open Web >>> Platform is more mature, we may decide to reopen the Q&A forums to >>> allow people to discuss Web development, if that’s what the >>> community wants. But for now, we encourage people to get involved >>> through email, IRC, our issue tracker, or by just diving in and >>> helping create and edit content. >>> ]] >>> >>> Regards- >>> -Doug >>> >>> On 4/10/13 3:05 PM, Doug Schepers wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, Garbee- >>>> >>>> I'll write this today. >>>> >>>> Regards- >>>> -Doug >>>> >>>> On 4/10/13 3:03 PM, Jonathan Garbee wrote: >>>> >>>>> We should try to get a blog post written for the Q&A system >>>>> being taken >>>>> down. This way we can post it and finally take the software and >>>>> put it >>>>> out of commission for the time being. >>>>> >>>>> If I recall the email thread on taking it down correctly we had >>>>> decided >>>>> that it currently doesn't have a solid use-case with the current >>>>> state >>>>> of things. Further it hasn't had much use since the initial launch. >>>>> Although we are taking it offline for now, it may come back >>>>> later once >>>>> the documentation is worked on more and we see a valid use for it. >>>>> >>>>> Did I miss anything major from our conversation (probably did)? Is >>>>> anyone up to writing this post? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> -Garbee >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Janet Swisher <mailto:jREMOVEswisher@**mozilla.com<jREMOVEswisher@mozilla.com> >> > >> Mozilla Developer Network <https://developer.mozilla.org**> >> Technical Writer/Community Steward >> >> >> > > > >
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