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Re: instant web payments via the lightning network

From: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 09:25:42 +0100
Message-ID: <CAKaEYhJSEFgVYTHkhK5BQfLj-NM0xG8KMEw4Daeb=ugugVCJ=A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Michael Bumann <hello@michaelbumann.com>
Cc: Web Payments <public-webpayments@w3.org>
On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 at 18:24, Michael Bumann <hello@michaelbumann.com>
wrote:

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> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Monday, January 14, 2019 11:50 AM, Melvin Carvalho <
> melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 11:30, Michael Bumann <hello@michaelbumann.com>
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>> Hi Melvin,
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>> yeah, I've been experimenting with the Bitcoin lightning network for a
>> while and I am pretty excited about the state and how easy it is to build
>> on top of it.
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> Hi, Great!
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> Funnily enough I was just reading your page, and realized it was you :
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> Tim did actually a while back ask me to interact with this group regarding
> http 402.  Some work has been done on that, including by me, and it would
> be great to compare notes at some point.  Or maybe flesh out use cases.
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> I got a bit lost in the different efforts around this topic. And some
> seemed to me rather complicated (e.g. including standards for providing
> invoice/shipping details)
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> I'd love to see and online equivalent of handing a coin to the newspaper
> person and getting some content in return.
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>> Did you see/use lightning browser extension "joule"[1]?  It brings
>> lightning payments to the browser - and there has been some discussion
>> around supporting web payment standards - maybe somebody familiar can help?
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> I have it installed, but dont fully understand the fine details.  When my
> casa node arrives I'll be able to try it out with my own node.  But I might
> set up a raspblitz while I wait.
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> Let me know if you want to set it up on a server. I am happy to help,
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> I was lead to your blog post from :
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> https://github.com/wbobeirne/joule-extension/issues/46
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>> I am wondering how to make it easier for content providers to integrate
>> LN payments and also experimented with lightning payments for API requests
>> [2].
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> I have written in the past working code for pay walls, with a dance around
> http 402, and in fact that's my current use case.
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> Do you think some areas of this work flow would benefit from
> standardization?
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> as mentioned above I am not super aware of the current standardization
> efforts and I ignored it because of simplicity with my experiments.
> I think also joule ignored it for that reason.
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> But yeah this must use some standard. Does anyone know how this could fit
> into the current efforts?
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Bumi, check out this paywall over lightning.  5 minutes coding time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXVDwRnU7_I&feature=youtu.be


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> With solid it's possible to access control content, and give back a 4xx.
> We dont yet return 402s but I've custom hacked a server to do that.  I'm
> not quite sure how a server will be able to know to send a 402.
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>> [1]https://lightningjoule.com/
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>> http://michaelbumann.com/post/180389589277/bitcoin-lightning-machine-to-machine-api-payments
>> [2] https://github.com/bumi/ln-markdown-to-pdf
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>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> On Saturday, January 12, 2019 6:04 PM, Melvin Carvalho <
>> melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > I am curious if any of this group is interested in the lightning
>> network [1].
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>> > For those that are unaware, it is a system built on top of block chains
>> that allow zero cost instant payments in a zero trust environment.
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>> > There has been lots of innovation already this year, and it seems to be
>> growing fast.  One service that impressed me is a custodial service built
>> on top of twitter that allows you to add a tip jar based on your twitter
>> account.
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>> > https://tippin.me/
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>> > This is a really easy way for non technical people to experience web
>> payments and bitcoin in the browser, without the overhead of a high
>> technical barrier to entry, or downloading a wallet.
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>> > Additionally I have added this to my sollid profile using the the foaf
>> : tipjar predicate that has been around for about a decade but never really
>> used.  The I have added it looks as follows :
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>> > In turtle :
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>> > </#me> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/tipjar> <
>> https://tippin.me/@melvincarvalho> .
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>> > In RDFa :
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>> > <a target="_blank" rel="http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/tipjar" href="
>> https://tippin.me/@melvincarvalho">https://tippin.me/@melvincarvalho</a>
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>> > There are also new solutions such as a mobile wallet that receives
>> payments (blue wallet), decentralized apps (Lapps) and ability to run your
>> own node eg on a raspberry pi.
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>> > If anyone is playing around in this space would love to hear from you,
>> or if you'd like to get started and have, say a tippin me account, I'd be
>> happy to send some satoshis (the unit of currency) to play around with.
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>> > I think this brings forth an exciting new era of instant payments in
>> the browser.  Would love to hear from anyone else that is interested in
>> this tech.
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>> > [1] http://lightning.network
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