Re: WPWG Working on Common Systems (was Re: Update on Web Payments Working Group)

On 5 April 2016 at 22:56, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com> wrote:

> On 04/04/2016 06:49 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
> > Thirdly, perhaps we could have seen this coming and presented a
> > greater front by working more together.
>
> +1
>
> > I think the verified claims work and webid work could and should have
> > come together.  IMHO the hostility shown to you by Henry Story was a
> > big part of that, and we should perhaps have perhaps been less
> > tolerant of Henry's periodic outbursts.
>
> Henry and our organization have reconciled our differences and are now
> working together on a variety of things. Water under the bridge. So, I
> think what you want to happen is happening now.
>
> For example, Henry and Digital Bazaar are collaborating on the HTTP
> Signatures work and some of the upcoming generalized ledger work. Can't
> talk much about that now, but we'll be able to in a month or so time.
>
> > The work by digital bazaar aligns quite closely with the work of the
> > director of the w3c in Solid, but we are not a united force so can
> > be more easily divided and conquered.  Is it time to put the
> > technical differences to one side (e.g. turtle vs json-ld, hash vs
> > slash URIs) and create apps and app eco systems that work together?
>
> I agree on that being a goal. We're stressed for time and money (aren't
> we all?), so don't see an easy way to bridge those systems at present.
> In short, our customers are not paying us to work on SoLiD. We wish they
> were. Our customers are (indirectly) paying us to solve Web Payments and
> Identity Credentials on the Web.
>
> Where there is a possibility of working together, we jump at the
> opportunity, but there is only so much we can do with the resources that
> we have... and most of those resources are going towards Web Payments
> and Identity Credentials.
>

That is appreciated.  But the value of interoperable solutions is really
high.  We've put so much time into interoperable standards it would be
great to see them working.  How much time can be spared for this?

Why dont we try and put things into manageable chunks and have an interop
plan with a time line.

I've been trying to get this done for years, but decentralized debugging is
very hard, mainly for human reasons.  No one wants to own a bug if there's
any chance it might not be theirs.

Maybe we could start with identity, move on to storage, then do signing
payments etc.  I mean if we can get decentralized indentity interoperating
that's going to be a big win.  And if we cant, we probably cant layer
anything on top.

Maybe one item per quarter.  But more importantly find a place where we can
try and make progress...


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