Re: Building Linked Data into the Core of the Web

On 9/19/14 3:04 PM, Brent Shambaugh wrote:
> I think there is a difference between the web as Tim Berners-Lee 
> envisioned it and the web as it is (or perceived).

I would say there's a difference between Web's actual architecture and 
how its being used, in regards to Web application development.

> To be honest, until a couple of years ago I did not even know Tim 
> Berners-Lee existed, but I knew that the web did.

That's fine, the Web's Architectural dexterity isn't the sole effort of 
one man. TimBL will tell you that, any day. That said, his fundamental 
vision lies at the base of the aforementioned architecture.

> In the 90's I knew about AOL because they provided internet, and I 
> wanted it because of all the cool things provided with it.
> In the late 90's I learned about Linux because there was a smart kid 
> that used it and was enthusiastic about it. Unfortunately I did not 
> use it till later because I was a bit afraid of tux the penguin, and I 
> did not think I was good at math, nor did I believe I was smart enough 
> to figure it out.
> In college some kids said that I should try out Facebook. It looked 
> impressive, I was excited to reconnect with old friends, and I had no 
> clue how it might work.
> I think it is all about perception. Once people see linked data for 
> what it can do (and are enthusiastic about it), and believe they can 
> use it, then they will.

Yes, and the trouble is that in "Linked Data" the original narrative 
sorta go hijacked (I have no better characterization term) which lead to 
more confusion that clarity. The one thing I like about the JSON-LD 
narrative is that it stayed way clear of those fundamental mistakes, in 
regards to meme construction. Net effect, it has provided an effective 
bridge for "Web Developers" that are focused on JSON notation for 
structured data representation.

It's one thing to have technology, its another thing to construct a 
coherent narrative for a target demographic.

> -Brent Shambaugh
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> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Melvin Carvalho 
> < <>> wrote:
>     On 19 September 2014 03:49, Manu Sporny <
>     <>> wrote:
>         On 09/14/2014 04:58 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>         > It is misleading (albeit inadvertent in regards to your post
>         above)
>         > to infer that Linked Data isn't already the core of the Web. The
>         > absolute fact of the matter is that Linked Data has been the
>         core of
>         > the Web since it was an idea [1][2].
>         Well, that's one of the points I make at the beginning of the
>         talk. I
>         also mention that saying "Linked Data" is part of the core of
>         the web is
>         a bit of a cop-out. Web developers don't understand that, and
>         until they
>         do, I don't consider Linked Data as a core part of the Web in
>         the same
>         way that HTML, Javascript, and HTTP is a core part of the Web.
>         I was not
>         just coming at this from a technical standpoint, I was also
>         making a
>         statement about the general Web developer community's
>         understanding of
>         Linked Data.
>     Not only is linked data part of the web, it was the *motivation*
>     for the web.
>     From day 1 the proposal back in 1989 was of an information system
>     where data is linked:
>     We have a lost generation of web 2.0 developers that mostly havent
>     seen or understood the implications of that document.
>     But saying that linked data is not in the core of the web is a bit
>     like saying anonymous functions are not in the core of
>     JavaScript.  Now it's true that 10 years ago most JS developers
>     would not realize the elegance of the language.  But Douglas
>     Cockroft came along and blew that all away with his "JavaScript,
>     the good parts".
>     There are different ways to convey the message, but I think it's
>     hard to dispute that linked data is core to the web.
>         > Instead, we ended up with an incomprehensible, indefensible,
>         and at
>         > best draconian narrative that has forever tainted the
>         letters "R-D-F"
>         > . And HttpRange-14 as a censorship tool (based on its ridiculous
>         > history), that blurs fixing this horrible state of affairs.
>         +1
>         -- manu
>         --
>         Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Manu
>         Sporny)
>         Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
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