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Re: P2P Payments

From: Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 14:50:03 +0100
Message-ID: <5481B80B.6000809@gmail.com>
To: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>, public-webpayments@w3.org
On 2014-12-05 14:29, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
> On 12/4/14 2:48 AM, Anders Rundgren wrote:
>> P2P payments are established in many places in the world.  My guess is
>> that none of these are based on standard web technology because this
>> technology simply isn't up to such tasks; it will take many years to
>> get on par with "Apps", if even possible.
>> It is sad but the web is lagging and the lag is increasing due to the
>> success of Android and iOS.
>> Anders (on Android)
> What does "Standard Web Technology" mean?

To simplify the discussion a bit: The web does not support client-based
cryptographic keys (except through HTTPS CCA which doesn't not sign data).

Well, the web actually *did* support signatures but the browser-vendors
(and W3C...) sitting in their ivory towers simply declared browser plugins
as a bad thing without coming up with any kind of "replacement scheme".

WebCrypto does *not* match up with the browser-plugins.

Seen from that perspective the web is effectively going *backwards* while
the App-environment is security-wise getting stronger and stronger, with
Apple Pay as a recent example.

In theory the WebCrypto.Next project could address this "deficit" but I have
to date not seen anything that has even the slightest chance of getting adoption.


> I do know of the Architecture of the World Wide Web (AWWW) which covers
> the key components for building a Web-like abstraction atop the
> Internet, comprised of:
> 1. URIs -- for denotation
> 2. HTTP URIs -- for implicit denotation and identification (courtesy of
> implicit Name->Address indirection for URI meaning interpretation)
> 3. HTML - language and notation combo for describing and representing
> documents
> 4. RDF - language for representing entity relations using a variety of
> loosely-coupled notations.
> 1-4 are the basis of the Web as we know it.
> #4 in regards to the "RDF" moniker is just a formalization (by the W3C)
> of what was always intrinsic to the Web's original design [1][2].
> Being "Standard Web Technology" based (as I understand it) is a little
> different from you continue frame this matter.
> Links:
> [1]
> http://bit.ly/evidence-that-the-world-wide-web-was-based-on-linked-data-from-inception
> [2] http://bit.ly/world-wide-web-25-years-later
> [3] http://www.openlinksw.com/data/turtle/general/GlossaryOfTerms.ttl --
> Glossary of Terms
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