Re: Web Payments Telecon Minutes for 2013-11-13

Just read through this, great scribing!

Having only just joined, hopefully I can now occasionally add a voice for
government (with a small g) in the future. Though I don't think I'll be
getting tickets to Shenzen approved any time soon.

R


On 14 November 2013 15:58, Kumar McMillan <kmcmillan@mozilla.com> wrote:

>
> On Nov 13, 2013, at 2:37 PM, David I. Lehn <dil@lehn.org> wrote:
>
> > The minutes for this week's Web Payments telecon are now available here:
> >
> > https://payswarm.com/minutes/2013-11-13/
> >
> > Full text of the discussion follows for archival purposes at the W3C.
> > This telecon was only on IRC so no audio is available.
> >
> > --------------
> >
> > Web Payments Community Group Telecon Minutes for 2013-11-13
> >
> > Agenda:
> >
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webpayments/2013Nov/0034.html
> > Topics:
> >   1. Update from W3C TPAC
> >   2. W3C TPAC Breakout Session on Web Payments
> >   3. Web Payments Workshop
> >   4. The Rest of W3C TPAC
> > Chair:
> >   Manu Sporny
> > Scribe:
> >   David I. Lehn
> > Present:
> >   David I. Lehn, Manu Sporny, Dave Longley
> > Audio:
> >   None
> >
> > David I. Lehn is scribing.
> >
> > Topic: Update from W3C TPAC
> >
> > Manu Sporny: Ok, so we've been getting a ton of exposure at W3C
> >   TPAC 2013.
> > Manu Sporny: I've been going around to the various Working Groups
> >   that are working on stuff related to what we're doing and have
> >   been introducing the work we're doing in the Web Payments group.
> > Manu Sporny: There have been a number of people from large
> >   organizations that have come up to me to talk about where we are
> >   and where we expect the work to go. All good interactions for the
> >   most part.
> > Manu Sporny: The first group I presented at was the Broadcast
> >   Interest Group, which is a group of broadcasters that are
> >   interested in the Web as a delivery mechanism. They were
> >   interested because they want to sell broadcast content over the
> >   Web. I invited them to the breakout session we had today and a
> >   number of them came.
> > Manu Sporny: The second group was the Digital Publishing Interest
> >   Group, who basically give input to other Working Groups to tell
> >   them what they need to work on to make digital publishing more
> >   prevalent using Web technologies. They care about selling eBooks
> >   and digital written content, so they were interested in the Web
> >   Payments work. It was mild interest because most of what the
> >   group does has to do w/
> > Manu Sporny: display of eBooks using Web browsers.
> > Manu Sporny: The third group was the Systems Applications Working
> >   Group, who are working on the Secure Element API. We're
> >   interested in their work because there are a number of hardware
> >   devices that are capable of doing digital signatures and identity
> >   authentication using the Secure Element API (either via contact
> >   pin/chip chards or contactless NFC).
> > Manu Sporny: I also spent time talking w/ Mark Nottingham (Chair
> >   of HTTPbis Working Group) about HTTP/2.0 and the HTTP Security
> >   spec, and hope to follow up with him on that later this week.
> > Manu Sporny: I had a meeting with W3C Management to coordinate
> >   how we're going to run the upcoming workshop on Web Payments next
> >   March, during the last week of that month in Paris.
> >
> > Topic: W3C TPAC Breakout Session on Web Payments
> >
> > Manu Sporny: Most of the time on Monday and Tuesday was spent
> >   trying to build support for the Web Payments Breakout session
> >   today.
> > Manu Sporny: I was expecting only around 7-10 people to come to
> >   the workshop. We had 25 people show up, with around another 8
> >   that wanted to make it but couldn't due to conflicts.
> > Manu Sporny: The minutes for that meeting can be found here:
> >   https://payswarm.com/minutes/2013-11-13-workshop/
> > Manu Sporny: So, the workshop went fairly well.
> > Manu Sporny: We had good attendance, I did a quick 15 minute-ish
> >   overview and then opened the floor up to questions.
> > Manu Sporny: There was a mix of electronics manufacturers
> >   (Toshiba, Samsung, LG, Nokia), payment processors (PayPal,
> >   PayGate, Positron), mobile operators (Telefonica, Orange),
> >   television/broadcasters/media companies (TBS, WOWOW), and
> >   security companies (Gemalto)
> > Manu Sporny: there was also someone from the National Association
> >   of Convenience Stores, who process lots and lots of credit cards.
> > Manu Sporny: So, we had almost every group that we'd want to have
> >   in a Working Group in the room. The only people we were missing
> >   were people from government, but W3C is fairly light in that
> >   area.
> > Manu Sporny: There was a lot to cover and not enough time, but we
> >   got some very good discussion done in the time we had. Most of
> >   the concern was around creating a solution that didn't
> >   disadvantage or advantage any particular player.
> > Manu Sporny: For example, PayPal was very concerned about the
> >   browser vendors being unfairly advantaged. They were also
> >   concerned about mobile operators being advantaged.
> > Manu Sporny: There was concern around there being a full stack
> >   (PaySwarm) proposed instead of a discussion before the fact. I
> >   tried to make it clear that PaySwarm is just a proposal and
> >   emboidies the type of stuff we'd like to do in the group.
> >   However, it's just meant as a starting point and we'd modify the
> >   specs to pull in other technologies, or if another member has a
> >   better technology, we'd use that
> > Manu Sporny: instead.
> > Manu Sporny: The end result was a clear demonstration of support
> >   for the Workshop in Paris, so that was a really good outcome.
> > Manu Sporny: Any questions on this before we move on?
> > Dave Longley: nope
> >
> > Topic: Web Payments Workshop
> >
> > Manu Sporny: Ok, so I had a number of discussions with Dave
> >   Raggett, who has been assigned by W3C to make the Workshop in
> >   Paris happen.
> > Manu Sporny: He's pretty thinly spread at the moment, so we need
> >   to help him if we don't want to risk the workshop slipping more
> >   than it has already.
> > Manu Sporny: This means getting two chairs for the workshop as
> >   well as a program committee together.
> > Manu Sporny: We have already secured the primary chair for the
> >   workshop as of this past Tuesday. He just needs to get clearance
> >   from his company's management and we'll be able to announce who
> >   he is shortly.
> > Manu Sporny: We have contacted two other organizations to send a
> >   chair and someone for the program committee.
> > Manu Sporny: We should hear something back by the end of this
> >   week.
> > Manu Sporny: The chairs are responsible for ensuring that the
> >   agenda runs smoothly for the workshop during the 1.5 days of the
> >   workshop.
> > Manu Sporny: The program committee is responsible for reviewing
> >   paper submissions and getting their colleagues at other
> >   institutions to attend the workshop.
> > Manu Sporny: It's very important to strike the right balance when
> >   it comes to program committee participants. We need people from
> >   each segment of industry that we've identified - electronics,
> >   payment processors, mobile operators, television, security, and
> >   retail.
> > Manu Sporny: We will need around 15-20 people on the program
> >   committee.
> > Manu Sporny: and we need to have that done by the end of this
> >   month (November 2013). We already have 7 people on the program
> >   committee. We'll need to get the rest in place by end of November
> >   and we'll need to send out the Call for Papers/Positions by early
> >   December.
> > Manu Sporny: The reason we're in a rush is that we need to
> >   provide at least two months for people to get papers together.
> > Manu Sporny: and with the holidays fast approaching, those weeks
> >   aren't going to be enough for people to write papers, arrange
> >   travel, and invite colleagues.
> > Manu Sporny: We have a space for 100 people max. We need to get
> >   at least 30-50 to demonstrate any sort of legitimacy wrt.
> >   creating a Working Group at W3C.
> > Manu Sporny: That we were able to get so many people into a
> >   breakout session is a good sign, now we need to build on that
> >   momentum.
> > Manu Sporny: Any questions on any of this?
> > Dave Longley: not from me
> >
> > Topic: The Rest of W3C TPAC
> >
> > Manu Sporny: For the next two days, I'll be meeting w/ the rest
> >   of the Working Groups that are affected by our work, or whose
> >   work we'll depend on. These include the Near-Field Communication
> >   Working Group, the Web Crypto Working Group, and the Web and
> >   Mobile Interest Group.
> > Manu Sporny: There are also around 10 other people that have
> >   requested private meetings or hallway discussions related to Web
> >   Payments and how it affects their organizations.
> > Manu Sporny: So, I'll also be talking with those folks in an
> >   attempt to get them folded into the group.
> > Manu Sporny: Alright, that's all I have as far as an update is
> >   concerned. I probably missed a few discussions, but the general
> >   take-away is that people are responding very well to the goals of
> >   this group and how we're approaching the problem.
> > Manu Sporny: Any questions? If not, let's adjourn.
> > Dave Longley: nope
> > Manu Sporny: ok, good 'cause it's 1am here and I want to go to
> >   sleep :P
> > Dave Longley: :)
> > David I. Lehn: too busy scribing to have questions :)
> > Manu Sporny: no doubt.
> > Manu Sporny: bye bye, see you guys in 5-ish days!
> > Dave Longley: yes, looking forward to it
> > David I. Lehn: As you are talking to all these people, might want
> >   to ask how they want to participate.  Showing up to these sorts
> >   of telecons doesn't seem to be what they want to do.  Should more
> >   stuff be done on the mailing list?
>
> To this point ^ I just wanted to say that these detailed minutes are
> really helpful! Thanks.
>
> > Manu Sporny: It's a bit early to ask them  how they want to
> >   participate... they're just trying to get their mind wrapped
> >   around the stuff we're doing.
> > Manu Sporny: I did meet Mountie Lee and Anders Rudgren in person
> >   here.
> > Manu Sporny: Both said that they'd like to participate in more
> >   telecons.
> > David I. Lehn: Ok.  It's understandable if it's difficult to show
> >   up to these things.  I was just wondering what other
> >   communication methods we could use.
> > Manu Sporny: We're using the standard methods that most other
> >   groups use.
> > Manu Sporny: The problem at this point seems to be one of: 1)
> >   people don't know we exist and 2) when they do find out about us,
> >   they don't know if it affects them, and 3) if it does affect
> >   them, they don't know what they can contribute to.
> >
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