Re: Web Payments Telecon Minutes for 2013-11-13

Welcome Ralph!

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On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Ralph Cowling <
ralph.cowling@digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk> wrote:

> Just read through this, great scribing!
>
> Having only just joined, hopefully I can now occasionally add a voice for
> government (with a small g) in the future. Though I don't think I'll be
> getting tickets to Shenzen approved any time soon.
>
> R
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> On 14 November 2013 15:58, Kumar McMillan <kmcmillan@mozilla.com> wrote:
>
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>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 2:37 PM, David I. Lehn <dil@lehn.org> wrote:
>>
>> > The minutes for this week's Web Payments telecon are now available here:
>> >
>> > https://payswarm.com/minutes/2013-11-13/
>> >
>> > Full text of the discussion follows for archival purposes at the W3C.
>> > This telecon was only on IRC so no audio is available.
>> >
>> > --------------
>> >
>> > Web Payments Community Group Telecon Minutes for 2013-11-13
>> >
>> > Agenda:
>> >
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webpayments/2013Nov/0034.html
>> > Topics:
>> >   1. Update from W3C TPAC
>> >   2. W3C TPAC Breakout Session on Web Payments
>> >   3. Web Payments Workshop
>> >   4. The Rest of W3C TPAC
>> > Chair:
>> >   Manu Sporny
>> > Scribe:
>> >   David I. Lehn
>> > Present:
>> >   David I. Lehn, Manu Sporny, Dave Longley
>> > Audio:
>> >   None
>> >
>> > David I. Lehn is scribing.
>> >
>> > Topic: Update from W3C TPAC
>> >
>> > Manu Sporny: Ok, so we've been getting a ton of exposure at W3C
>> >   TPAC 2013.
>> > Manu Sporny: I've been going around to the various Working Groups
>> >   that are working on stuff related to what we're doing and have
>> >   been introducing the work we're doing in the Web Payments group.
>> > Manu Sporny: There have been a number of people from large
>> >   organizations that have come up to me to talk about where we are
>> >   and where we expect the work to go. All good interactions for the
>> >   most part.
>> > Manu Sporny: The first group I presented at was the Broadcast
>> >   Interest Group, which is a group of broadcasters that are
>> >   interested in the Web as a delivery mechanism. They were
>> >   interested because they want to sell broadcast content over the
>> >   Web. I invited them to the breakout session we had today and a
>> >   number of them came.
>> > Manu Sporny: The second group was the Digital Publishing Interest
>> >   Group, who basically give input to other Working Groups to tell
>> >   them what they need to work on to make digital publishing more
>> >   prevalent using Web technologies. They care about selling eBooks
>> >   and digital written content, so they were interested in the Web
>> >   Payments work. It was mild interest because most of what the
>> >   group does has to do w/
>> > Manu Sporny: display of eBooks using Web browsers.
>> > Manu Sporny: The third group was the Systems Applications Working
>> >   Group, who are working on the Secure Element API. We're
>> >   interested in their work because there are a number of hardware
>> >   devices that are capable of doing digital signatures and identity
>> >   authentication using the Secure Element API (either via contact
>> >   pin/chip chards or contactless NFC).
>> > Manu Sporny: I also spent time talking w/ Mark Nottingham (Chair
>> >   of HTTPbis Working Group) about HTTP/2.0 and the HTTP Security
>> >   spec, and hope to follow up with him on that later this week.
>> > Manu Sporny: I had a meeting with W3C Management to coordinate
>> >   how we're going to run the upcoming workshop on Web Payments next
>> >   March, during the last week of that month in Paris.
>> >
>> > Topic: W3C TPAC Breakout Session on Web Payments
>> >
>> > Manu Sporny: Most of the time on Monday and Tuesday was spent
>> >   trying to build support for the Web Payments Breakout session
>> >   today.
>> > Manu Sporny: I was expecting only around 7-10 people to come to
>> >   the workshop. We had 25 people show up, with around another 8
>> >   that wanted to make it but couldn't due to conflicts.
>> > Manu Sporny: The minutes for that meeting can be found here:
>> >   https://payswarm.com/minutes/2013-11-13-workshop/
>> > Manu Sporny: So, the workshop went fairly well.
>> > Manu Sporny: We had good attendance, I did a quick 15 minute-ish
>> >   overview and then opened the floor up to questions.
>> > Manu Sporny: There was a mix of electronics manufacturers
>> >   (Toshiba, Samsung, LG, Nokia), payment processors (PayPal,
>> >   PayGate, Positron), mobile operators (Telefonica, Orange),
>> >   television/broadcasters/media companies (TBS, WOWOW), and
>> >   security companies (Gemalto)
>> > Manu Sporny: there was also someone from the National Association
>> >   of Convenience Stores, who process lots and lots of credit cards.
>> > Manu Sporny: So, we had almost every group that we'd want to have
>> >   in a Working Group in the room. The only people we were missing
>> >   were people from government, but W3C is fairly light in that
>> >   area.
>> > Manu Sporny: There was a lot to cover and not enough time, but we
>> >   got some very good discussion done in the time we had. Most of
>> >   the concern was around creating a solution that didn't
>> >   disadvantage or advantage any particular player.
>> > Manu Sporny: For example, PayPal was very concerned about the
>> >   browser vendors being unfairly advantaged. They were also
>> >   concerned about mobile operators being advantaged.
>> > Manu Sporny: There was concern around there being a full stack
>> >   (PaySwarm) proposed instead of a discussion before the fact. I
>> >   tried to make it clear that PaySwarm is just a proposal and
>> >   emboidies the type of stuff we'd like to do in the group.
>> >   However, it's just meant as a starting point and we'd modify the
>> >   specs to pull in other technologies, or if another member has a
>> >   better technology, we'd use that
>> > Manu Sporny: instead.
>> > Manu Sporny: The end result was a clear demonstration of support
>> >   for the Workshop in Paris, so that was a really good outcome.
>> > Manu Sporny: Any questions on this before we move on?
>> > Dave Longley: nope
>> >
>> > Topic: Web Payments Workshop
>> >
>> > Manu Sporny: Ok, so I had a number of discussions with Dave
>> >   Raggett, who has been assigned by W3C to make the Workshop in
>> >   Paris happen.
>> > Manu Sporny: He's pretty thinly spread at the moment, so we need
>> >   to help him if we don't want to risk the workshop slipping more
>> >   than it has already.
>> > Manu Sporny: This means getting two chairs for the workshop as
>> >   well as a program committee together.
>> > Manu Sporny: We have already secured the primary chair for the
>> >   workshop as of this past Tuesday. He just needs to get clearance
>> >   from his company's management and we'll be able to announce who
>> >   he is shortly.
>> > Manu Sporny: We have contacted two other organizations to send a
>> >   chair and someone for the program committee.
>> > Manu Sporny: We should hear something back by the end of this
>> >   week.
>> > Manu Sporny: The chairs are responsible for ensuring that the
>> >   agenda runs smoothly for the workshop during the 1.5 days of the
>> >   workshop.
>> > Manu Sporny: The program committee is responsible for reviewing
>> >   paper submissions and getting their colleagues at other
>> >   institutions to attend the workshop.
>> > Manu Sporny: It's very important to strike the right balance when
>> >   it comes to program committee participants. We need people from
>> >   each segment of industry that we've identified - electronics,
>> >   payment processors, mobile operators, television, security, and
>> >   retail.
>> > Manu Sporny: We will need around 15-20 people on the program
>> >   committee.
>> > Manu Sporny: and we need to have that done by the end of this
>> >   month (November 2013). We already have 7 people on the program
>> >   committee. We'll need to get the rest in place by end of November
>> >   and we'll need to send out the Call for Papers/Positions by early
>> >   December.
>> > Manu Sporny: The reason we're in a rush is that we need to
>> >   provide at least two months for people to get papers together.
>> > Manu Sporny: and with the holidays fast approaching, those weeks
>> >   aren't going to be enough for people to write papers, arrange
>> >   travel, and invite colleagues.
>> > Manu Sporny: We have a space for 100 people max. We need to get
>> >   at least 30-50 to demonstrate any sort of legitimacy wrt.
>> >   creating a Working Group at W3C.
>> > Manu Sporny: That we were able to get so many people into a
>> >   breakout session is a good sign, now we need to build on that
>> >   momentum.
>> > Manu Sporny: Any questions on any of this?
>> > Dave Longley: not from me
>> >
>> > Topic: The Rest of W3C TPAC
>> >
>> > Manu Sporny: For the next two days, I'll be meeting w/ the rest
>> >   of the Working Groups that are affected by our work, or whose
>> >   work we'll depend on. These include the Near-Field Communication
>> >   Working Group, the Web Crypto Working Group, and the Web and
>> >   Mobile Interest Group.
>> > Manu Sporny: There are also around 10 other people that have
>> >   requested private meetings or hallway discussions related to Web
>> >   Payments and how it affects their organizations.
>> > Manu Sporny: So, I'll also be talking with those folks in an
>> >   attempt to get them folded into the group.
>> > Manu Sporny: Alright, that's all I have as far as an update is
>> >   concerned. I probably missed a few discussions, but the general
>> >   take-away is that people are responding very well to the goals of
>> >   this group and how we're approaching the problem.
>> > Manu Sporny: Any questions? If not, let's adjourn.
>> > Dave Longley: nope
>> > Manu Sporny: ok, good 'cause it's 1am here and I want to go to
>> >   sleep :P
>> > Dave Longley: :)
>> > David I. Lehn: too busy scribing to have questions :)
>> > Manu Sporny: no doubt.
>> > Manu Sporny: bye bye, see you guys in 5-ish days!
>> > Dave Longley: yes, looking forward to it
>> > David I. Lehn: As you are talking to all these people, might want
>> >   to ask how they want to participate.  Showing up to these sorts
>> >   of telecons doesn't seem to be what they want to do.  Should more
>> >   stuff be done on the mailing list?
>>
>> To this point ^ I just wanted to say that these detailed minutes are
>> really helpful! Thanks.
>>
>> > Manu Sporny: It's a bit early to ask them  how they want to
>> >   participate... they're just trying to get their mind wrapped
>> >   around the stuff we're doing.
>> > Manu Sporny: I did meet Mountie Lee and Anders Rudgren in person
>> >   here.
>> > Manu Sporny: Both said that they'd like to participate in more
>> >   telecons.
>> > David I. Lehn: Ok.  It's understandable if it's difficult to show
>> >   up to these things.  I was just wondering what other
>> >   communication methods we could use.
>> > Manu Sporny: We're using the standard methods that most other
>> >   groups use.
>> > Manu Sporny: The problem at this point seems to be one of: 1)
>> >   people don't know we exist and 2) when they do find out about us,
>> >   they don't know if it affects them, and 3) if it does affect
>> >   them, they don't know what they can contribute to.
>> >
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