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Re: Question about "TLS CCA Session" versus "Web Session"

From: Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 09:32:05 +0200
Message-ID: <537078F5.7050900@gmail.com>
To: "henry.story@bblfish.net" <henry.story@bblfish.net>
CC: "public-webid@w3.org" <public-webid@w3.org>
On 2014-05-07 11:48, henry.story@bblfish.net wrote:
> On 7 May 2014, at 08:42, Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't claim knowing everything so please bear with me when I ask a simple question :-)
>> Using JBoss and Tomcat (java-based) servers an HTTPS Client Certificate Authenticated
>> session created from a browser *never terminates* regardless of session time-out settings
>> because the TLS session has no link into the Java Servlet web session framework.
>> Due to this neither manual logout or automatic logout work in such setups.
>> Q1: how do other web-servers enforce logout from the server-side?
>> Q2: if other web-servers actually can do this,  does this require TCP terminate?
>> Q3: if other web-servers actually can do this,  logout works formost/all browsers without specific measures?
> As far as I can tell a server cannot force logout of the client, since the browsers tend to resend the same certificate
> to the server. You can only do this with Firefox which has a Javascript logout call currently. In my view login/logout
> has to be handled by the client in the chrome.

This is a unique problem for HTTPS Client Certificate Authentication; no other authentication
method needs modifications of the chrome in order to perform logout or requires the client
to support session timeout policies.

I can though imagine a chrome-based identity context but it should be optional and universal.
It should probably also address logout to *all* enabled sites that you have encountered
during your session on the web.


> This has been identitified as a key improvement browser manufacturers need to make for privacy reasons.
> Henry
>> Anders
> Social Web Architect
> http://bblfish.net/
Received on Monday, 12 May 2014 07:32:42 UTC

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