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Re: Does FOAF provide sufficient ontological support for WebID & WWW Identity AUTH REQ's?

From: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 18:26:35 +0200
Message-ID: <CAKaEYhLN4M6NW2uro6w7+mnL0s+bbNfnv5V_3UaGQxEhuBfrTw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
Cc: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>, "public-webid@w3.org" <public-webid@w3.org>
On 9 June 2014 17:30, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Kingsley,
>
> thanks for the response. Yes. Current format of WebID (specifically) is
> simply FOAF.  Calling it WebID when it means FOAF is well...  FOAF.
>

WebID is not coupled to FOAF.  Is FOAF ever mentioned in the spec?


>
> When it starts to be used for authentication problems emerge -
> authentication being a form of agreement that you knowingly access a
> private record or access control value; that is protected by some form of
> authentication.
>
> Assuming of course; the authentication mechanism isn't triggering off
> approvals to other peoples stuff, but rather effectively providing access
> to stuff on a legitimate (or as intended) basis...  perhaps also, as
> understood by all involved parties too...
>
>
>
> On 9 June 2014 22:10, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:
>
>> On 6/9/14 3:56 AM, Timothy Holborn wrote:
>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_identity
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_identity
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_(philosophy) <
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_%28philosophy%29>
>>>
>>>
>>> My rational around continuing to debate this; is that the whilst
>>> identity systems are fragmented on the web; they are fragmented by
>>> organisational influences, with increasingly lesser support for personal
>>> ones.
>>>
>>> My recent drafts about it: linked, http://webarts.mediaprophet.net/?p=72
>>> (and http://webarts.mediaprophet.net/?p=68 )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Simple answer: No.
>>
>> You can use FOAF terms to construct an Identity Card or Profile Document.
>> That's where its utility starts and stops.
>>
>> 1. Identity -- nebulous
>> 2. Identifiers -- denotation mechanism (e.g., HTTP URI) for a perceived
>> identity
>> 3. Identification -- identity card or profile document (you can use terms
>> from FOAF here) comprised of identity oriented claims
>> 4. authentication -- various protocols for verifying claims made in
>> identity cards and profile docs
>> 5. authorization -- various protocols for providing authenticated
>> identities with access to protected resources.
>>
>>
>> Having a WebID (HTTP URI) that denotes entity "You" is how you make a
>> name for yourself on an HTTP network like the Web :-)
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kingsley Idehen
>> Founder & CEO
>> OpenLink Software
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>>
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>
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