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Re: Does FOAF provide sufficient ontological support for WebID & WWW Identity AUTH REQ's?

From: Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:49:40 +1000
Message-Id: <3518435F-29C6-42F4-920F-8E9D8A0A90B9@gmail.com>
Cc: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>, "public-webid@w3.org" <public-webid@w3.org>
To: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>


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> On 10 Jun 2014, at 2:26 am, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On 9 June 2014 17:30, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Kingsley,
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>> thanks for the response. Yes. Current format of WebID (specifically) is simply FOAF.  Calling it WebID when it means FOAF is well...  FOAF.
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> WebID is not coupled to FOAF.  Is FOAF ever mentioned in the spec?
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/spec/identity/
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>> When it starts to be used for authentication problems emerge - authentication being a form of agreement that you knowingly access a private record or access control value; that is protected by some form of authentication.
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>> Assuming of course; the authentication mechanism isn't triggering off approvals to other peoples stuff, but rather effectively providing access to stuff on a legitimate (or as intended) basis...  perhaps also, as understood by all involved parties too...  
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>>> On 9 June 2014 22:10, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:
>>>> On 6/9/14 3:56 AM, Timothy Holborn wrote:
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_identity
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_identity
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_(philosophy) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_%28philosophy%29>
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>>>> My rational around continuing to debate this; is that the whilst identity systems are fragmented on the web; they are fragmented by organisational influences, with increasingly lesser support for personal ones.
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>>>> My recent drafts about it: linked, http://webarts.mediaprophet.net/?p=72 (and http://webarts.mediaprophet.net/?p=68 )
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>>> Simple answer: No.
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>>> You can use FOAF terms to construct an Identity Card or Profile Document. That's where its utility starts and stops.
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>>> 1. Identity -- nebulous
>>> 2. Identifiers -- denotation mechanism (e.g., HTTP URI) for a perceived identity
>>> 3. Identification -- identity card or profile document (you can use terms from FOAF here) comprised of identity oriented claims
>>> 4. authentication -- various protocols for verifying claims made in identity cards and profile docs
>>> 5. authorization -- various protocols for providing authenticated identities with access to protected resources.
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>>> Having a WebID (HTTP URI) that denotes entity "You" is how you make a name for yourself on an HTTP network like the Web :-)
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>>> -- 
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>>> Regards,
>>> 
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