[Minutes] WebCGM Telecon 2006-09-31 [revised]

WebCGM WG --

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    [1]W3C

       [1] http://www.w3.org/

                             WebCGM Teleconf

8 sep 2006

    See [2]Agenda and [3]IRC log

       [2] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcgm-wg/2006Sep/0017.html
       [3] 
http://www.w3.org/Graphics/WebCGM/WG/Minutes/2006/08/31-webcgm-minutes.log

Attendees

    Present
           Al Gilman, Benoit, Chris, Dave, Kentarou_Noji,
           Lofton_Henderson, Thierry

    Regrets
           don, dieter, stuart

    Chair
           lofton

    Scribe
           dave

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]roll call
          2. [6]routine WG business
          3. [7]WAI appendix
      * [8]Summary of Action Items
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    <lofton> benoit, do you feel like scribing today?

    <BB> I would really prefer just to listen today

    invite zakim #webcgm

    <lofton> scribe: dave

    <lofton> scribenick: dc

roll call

routine WG business

    No new business

WAI appendix

    Original comment -
    [9]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcgm-wg/2006Aug/0064
    .html

       [9] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcgm-wg/2006Aug/0064.html

    Proposed appendix -
    [10]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/WebCGM/WG/2006/wai-appendix.html

      [10] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/WebCGM/WG/2006/wai-appendix.html

    History - WAI comments arrived shortly after end of f2f. Lofton then
    drafted appendix as a response

    WAI group subsequently approved the proposed appendix and the WebCGM
    WG will work with them for a way forward during CR

    CR is scheduled to end Oct 6, so we have 3+ weeks to perform this
    work

    During this telecon we will go through the comments from Al and
    discuss them

    [11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcgm-wg/2006Sep/001
    5

      [11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcgm-wg/2006Sep/0015

    Lofton - the goal of the appendix should be to raise the awareness
    of requirements for accessibiility

    <scribe> ACTION: Al to share link to visual workshop

    <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Al

    Resolution: Al Gilman will share link to visual workshop

    <lofton> AG: crux of the problem is to find navigation mode to help
    explore scene graph of articulable objects (fair summary?)

    <lofton>
    [12]http://www.cgmopen.org/technical/webcgmchoice-slides.pdf

      [12] http://www.cgmopen.org/technical/webcgmchoice-slides.pdf

    <Chris> so can someone take an action to give some real-world
    examples of WebCGM 2.0?

    <scribe> ACTION: Dave to provide example of typicall technical
    illustrations, CGM and some raster format

    <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - dc

    <Chris> trackbot, status?

    <scribe> ACTION: David to provide example of typicall technical
    illustrations, CGM and some raster format

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Provide example of typicall technical
    illustrations, CGM and some raster format [on David Cruikshank - due
    2006-09-14].

    Concept of natural navigation through something like a technical
    illustration dealing with disassembly instructions

    moving from a locator to a detail to a further detail, etc

    Lofton - Al's message has two parts

    Lofton - part 1 is a larger wide view section that is probably a
    long term view for WebCGM

    Lofton - part 2 consists of 5 points that we should concentrate on

    Al - We should only deal with points that have a 50% chance of
    success during CR

    <lofton>
    [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcgm-wg/2006Sep/001
    5

      [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcgm-wg/2006Sep/0015

    Lofton - Point 1 - it appears we have gathered together the main
    points

    Al - yes, 80% - this was a pleasant supprise

    Lofton - Point 2 addresses navigation through a technical graphic -
    we may not have fully addressed this issue in the appendix

    Lofton - we are willing to discuss how we need to modify the
    statement in the appendix to address this

    Al - WebCGM needs to expose the structure and the structure used to
    navigate may be different from the CGM structure

    Al - something like a tree-structured TOC to aid navigation intent

    Al - navigation may be user dependent

    Lofton - can Al propose a descrete modification to the resolution
    statement here?

    Al - instant answer, yes, but there may be more.

    Al - we will be imited for what we can do in preparation for PR, but
    there may be somethings that will be intended for 2.1 or 3.

    Lofton - providing alternative access modes, like keyboard access
    may be something that we can add to the appendix

    Lofton - a navigatble TOC or even backwards order

    Lofton - this could be a first step to amend the appendix

    Lofton - this appendix will be a new introductory primer level to a
    lot of people in this community

    Al - maybe up to 3 navigation modes (hierartical TOC, etc)

    Ben - hearing that the authoring tools need to add more metadata to
    the file to aid navigation

    Al, with Lofton's help, will provide a proposal for reworking the
    wording in the appendix

    <lofton> ...specifically: alternative wording for the suggestion of
    sequential, document order keyboard navigation through a picture's
    objects.

    Lofton - Point 3 on alt-like features

    kentarou - make alt native in format

    Lofton - 2.1 or 3.0 extension

    Al - maybe take same approach SVG does

    Lofton - integration pan zoom controls may operation contrary to
    accessibility requirements

    Lofton - but t his viewer behavior is specified in WebCGM

    Lofton - can Al expand on this a little on how to address this
    potential problem

    Al - this is a long term thing that should not affect the PR
    appendix, but we can continue to work on it.

    Al - webcgm object that have behaviors should act like embedded
    object in t he compound document sense on how it interacts with
    other objects

    Lofton - What we have said in the appendix is probably ok, for PR

    Lofton - 1st point 5, last paragraph - extensibility

    Al - t his is probably a 2.1or 3.0 work item,

    Lofton - no need to do anything in appendix on this subject for PR
    text

    Lofton - action item due dates - early in the day Wednesday, Sep 13

    <scribe> ACTION: Lofton to provide starting place for plugins to WAI

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-21 - Provide starting place for plugins to
    WAI [on Lofton Henderson - due 2006-09-14].

    All action items will go through our WG group list with cc to Al

    <lofton> chris?

    <lofton> Dave doesn't seem to be getting any response to "make
    minutes"

    <lofton> [14]http://www.w3.org/1998/12/bridge/Zakim.html

      [14] http://www.w3.org/1998/12/bridge/Zakim.html

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: Al to share link to visual workshop
    [NEW] ACTION: Dave to provide example of typicall technical
    ... illustrations, CGM and some raster format
    [NEW] ACTION: David to provide example of typicall technical
    ... illustrations, CGM and some raster format
    [NEW] ACTION: Lofton to provide starting place for plugins to WAI
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