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Re: [Push API] Web push subscription age affects delivery rates

From: Marco Colli <collimarco91@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 14:02:15 +0100
Message-ID: <CAFvCgN4W_z201Lf-oRfaKFsz5XLefgOAqxDwScMNBztayHb-0A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Marcos Caceres <marcos@marcosc.com>
Cc: public-webapps@w3.org
Hi Marcos,

thanks for the reply!

I understand that this can take some time, but changing the spec means that
eventually everyone will benefit from a reliable technology. In the
meantime we have provided a workaround
<https://blog.pushpad.xyz/2018/09/targeting-only-recently-active-users-can-increase-delivery-rate-of-web-push-notifications/>
to our customers, but that is clearly a patch... the right place to fix
this problem is the spec / browser.

On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 4:07 AM Marcos Caceres <marcos@marcosc.com> wrote:

> Hi Marco,
>
> > On Nov 1, 2018, at 2:25 AM, Marco Colli <collimarco91@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Are there any updates on this?
> >
> > This issue is really a pain... valid subscriptions (that return
> successful status codes) have such low delivery rates due to this problem
> and it is difficult to explain that to customers (not to talk about
> competitors that show the sending rates as if they were the delivery
> rates...). Also it doesn't really make sense that the number of inactive
> subscriptions (that belong to abandoned devices and browsers) grows
> constantly over time.
> >
> > Please consider my suggestion:
> > https://github.com/w3c/push-api/issues/302
> >
> > This is also relevant for privacy, because it would allow us to delete
> unused subscriptions together with all the associated data.
>
> I see Martin already responded in the bug. Martin is spot on tho: you need
> to be lobbying browser makers directly to get this changed by filing bugs
> in their respective issue trackers.
>
> Even if we change the spec, it doesn't mean it will be reflected in
> implementations any time soon - so we would still need to go through the
> browsers.
>
> Sorry for making you do additional work here, but affecting this change
> will take some time. I'll try to help in the bug by making sure the right
> people get pinged, so at least implementers are aware.
>
> But please do file bugs if you can and keep pushing for this. I think we
> all agree that you are correct: this is an annoyance to end-users, so
> should be fixed.
>
>
Received on Thursday, 1 November 2018 13:02:55 UTC

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