- From: Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com>
- Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:07:17 +0530
- To: "Sunava Dutta" <sunavad@windows.microsoft.com>, "Chris Wilson" <Chris.Wilson@microsoft.com>
- Cc: "public-webapi@w3.org" <public-webapi@w3.org>, "Gideon Cohn" <gidco@windows.microsoft.com>, "Zhenbin Xu" <zhenbinx@windows.microsoft.com>, "Marc Silbey" <marcsil@windows.microsoft.com>, "Ahmed Kamel" <Ahmed.Kamel@microsoft.com>
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:39:07 +0530, Sunava Dutta <sunavad@windows.microsoft.com> wrote: > Thanks Charles. > I agree with your plan... ... > Running a full-fledged test suite against our browsers to verify interop > is a critical next step that should happen before CR. We’d appreciate it > if the tests can be matched with the spec by linking the relevant test > to the spec section if possible (may be tough) or linking them at the > bottom. This is a detailed spec and it will help. I think we need to work through these as a group and check where the tests match. Expecting Anne to do all that is unreasonable (apart from anything else, as his manager I would like him to work on other stuff too). > We’ve run the test suites as promised in addition to giving feedback. I > realize the tests may be incomplete and lots of reference files are not > accessible to us. For interoperability, if a test does fail on all > browsers (right now 32 fail on 4 major browsers using the incomplete > existing suite. See bottom) I would say it would be useful to have a > plan for a default given that this is an existing feature that’s been on > the web for a decade? ... Either way, we recommend resolving these > deltas to determine behavior Yep. Essentially it seems we are agreed to go to last call, but we will need to have some reasonable belief that people will fix implementations to pass tests (or decide that we should change the spec) if we expect to get out of CR. By the way, we welcome tests from anyone. We use Anne's because he has worked hard to make them, but there is no reason he should be the sole source of tests. > and LC may be an appropriate time to do this. Yes, I think that is the emerging consensus... > Would it be possible once the tests are relatively stable to package > them (including reference files) and send us a copy? We will have them on the Web - you have to fetch your own copy :) But yes, it should be possible to download a package for local use once we have an official test suite. > Reemphasizing what Chris mentions, we do believe that detail is good as > long as it's readable and easy to assimilate. I humbly suggest removing > or in the minimum mentioning which parts are UA implementation details > that are not necessarily binding... Basically, you either convince the editor directly about editing changes, or you need to propose specific changes to the group (which can override the editor even on editorial matters) so it can make a decision. Both of these are legitimate processes, but in the latter you're unlikely to make much headway without very clear proposals (i.e. "change FOO to read BAR"). cheers Chaals -- Charles McCathieNevile Opera Software, Standards Group je parle français -- hablo español -- jeg lærer norsk http://my.opera.com/chaals Try Opera 9.5: http://snapshot.opera.com
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