- From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:48:27 -0500
- To: Web API public <public-webapi@w3.org>
Hi, WebAPI fans- Here are the minutes for the DOM3 Events telcon for 6 Feb 2008. Sorry for the funky formatting. http://www.w3.org/2008/02/06-webapi-minutes.html Or as text, below: [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Web API WG Teleconference 06 Feb 2008 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2008/02/06-webapi-irc Attendees Present Regrets Chair SV_MEETING_CHAIR Scribe shepazu Contents * [3]Topics * [4]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 06 February 2008 shepazu: Zakim, this is DOM3 [2:27pm] Zakim: shepazu, I see IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be DOM3". [2:27pm] shepazu: sigh [2:27pm] shepazu: Zakim, this will be DOM3 [2:27pm] Zakim: ok, shepazu; I see IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes [2:27pm] Zakim: IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM has now started [2:27pm] Zakim: +Carmelo [2:27pm] shepazu: Zakim, code? [2:27pm] Zakim: the conference code is 3663 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shepazu [2:28pm] anne: hmm, office us is just starting [2:28pm] Zakim: +Andrew_Emmons [2:29pm] shepazu: sorry, phone problems, just a couple minutes [2:31pm] anne: Zakim, who is on the phone? [2:31pm] Zakim: On the phone I see Carmelo, Andrew_Emmons [2:31pm] • anne waits for shepazu [2:35pm] anne: Zakim, who is on the phone? [2:35pm] Zakim: On the phone I see Carmelo, Andrew_Emmons [2:35pm] Zakim: +??P0 [2:35pm] shepazu: Zakim, +??P0 [2:35pm] Zakim: I saw ??P0 just arrive [2:35pm] Carmelo: Hello Everyone [2:35pm] shepazu: Zakim, +??P0 is me [2:35pm] Zakim: sorry, shepazu, I do not recognize a party named '+??P0' [2:35pm] shepazu: Zakim, +??P0 is Doug Schepers [2:35pm] Zakim: I don't understand '+??P0 is Doug Schepers', shepazu [2:36pm] Zakim: +anne [2:36pm] shepazu: Zakim, +??P0 is me [2:36pm] Zakim: sorry, shepazu, I do not recognize a party named '+??P0' [2:36pm] shepazu: Zakim, ??P0 is me [2:36pm] Zakim: +shepazu; got it [2:37pm] shepazu: anne, can you join [2:37pm] shepazu: ? [2:37pm] aemmons: Scribe: Andrew Emmons [2:38pm] aemmons: ScribeNick: aemmons [2:38pm] aemmons: Chair: Doug Schepers [2:38pm] aemmons: Topic: Introduction meeting [2:38pm] aemmons: DS: Introducing Andrew Emmons [2:39pm] aemmons: DS: Known for some time [2:39pm] aemmons: DS: Motivated to get DOM3 Events published [2:39pm] aemmons: DS: Anticipate that it is largely done [2:39pm] aemmons: DS: Goal of meetings to establish what is left to be done [2:39pm] aemmons: DS: Find out what is implemeted [2:40pm] aemmons: DS: Find out what is different than what is implemented [2:40pm] aemmons: DS: I would like to see spec as CR in 4-6 months [2:40pm] aemmons: DS: CR is when you need a good test suite [2:41pm] Lachy joined the chat room. [2:41pm] Lachy left the chat room. (Quit: Leaving) [2:41pm] aemmons: DS: Andrew Emmons is from BitFlash [2:41pm] Lachy joined the chat room. [2:41pm] aemmons: DS: Implements SVGT 1.2 and thus DOM 3 Events [2:42pm] aemmons: DS: Anne works for Opera, well informed regarding DOM 3 Events [2:42pm] aemmons: DS: I work for W3C, staff contact for WebAPI [2:43pm] aemmons: DS: Carmelo works for NIST [2:43pm] aemmons: DS: Has done some DOM testing in the past [2:44pm] aemmons: CM: Will DOM LEvel 3 Events be using the same framework as DOM LEvel 2 Events? [2:44pm] aemmons: CM: I was looking at the previous frameworks [2:44pm] aemmons: DS: W3C specifications do implementability testing [2:44pm] aemmons: DS: No focus on interopability [2:45pm] aemmons: DS: There has been a new focus to have interopability between implementations [2:45pm] • anne has to go in ~15 min for a WAF meeting [2:45pm] aemmons: DS: Want to make sure the DOM3 Events Test suite has a focus for interopability [2:46pm] aemmons: DS: Worth our time on how to setup the testing framework [2:47pm] aemmons: CM: I could not find a DOM Level 2 events test suite [2:47pm] aemmons: DS: I do not think one exists [2:47pm] aemmons: CM: How wass this tested in the past? [2:47pm] aemmons: DS: Not sure [2:47pm] aemmons: CM: How did it become a Recommendation [2:48pm] aemmons: Av: The requirements were more loose at that time [2:48pm] aemmons: CM: Should we have tests for DOM Level 2 Events? [2:48pm] aemmons: DS: May be useful, where there is overlap [2:50pm] aemmons: DS: My goal is to get the spec out with features that are compatible or easy to do with existing browsers [2:50pm] aemmons: DS: Implementations do somehting that is akin to DOM Level 3 events [2:50pm] aemmons: DS: The feedback I want to get is from Opera, Mozillia, IE and WebKit [2:51pm] aemmons: DS: And SVG user agents [2:51pm] aemmons: DS: Step 1 is to have a careful review by all browser venders [2:52pm] aemmons: DS: The reason DOM Events stalled, at that time implementers will not implementing [2:53pm] aemmons: DS: Need to have buy-in from venders [2:53pm] aemmons: Av: The biggest problem is that it requires namespaces on events [2:53pm] aemmons: Av: I do not think people are implementing the namespacing [2:54pm] aemmons: DS: I am sure Microsoft will be involved in this process [2:54pm] aemmons: DS: I understand that there are people who dislike namespaces, [2:55pm] aemmons: DS: I am not sure it is a blocker for the spec [2:55pm] aemmons: Av: It is the think we do not see people implementing [2:55pm] aemmons: Av: It does not make sense for us to ship it if others do not as well [2:56pm] aemmons: DS: Another thing is - do authors want this? [2:56pm] aemmons: Av: Poeple hardly use namespaced elements, which have been around a long time [2:57pm] aemmons: AE: We've found them useful for content that uses CustomEvent [2:58pm] aemmons: DS: We need to make sure the spec is consistent and in publishable form [2:58pm] aemmons: DS: Good test suite [2:58pm] aemmons: DS: And that Key Events are acceptable for all the vendors [2:59pm] aemmons: AE: Moving forward, I need to know what resolutions have been made by the group that have not been captured i the spec [2:59pm] aemmons: Av: We have an issue tracker [2:59pm] shepazu: [5]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/ [5] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/ [3:00pm] shepazu: [6]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/products/2 [6] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/products/2 [3:02pm] anne: [7]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2006May/0065.ht ml [7] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2006May/0065.html [3:04pm] shepazu: [8]http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Bindings/ [8] http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Bindings/ [3:05pm] aemmons: DS: Because most people doing web content, our focus should be ECAMScript for testing [3:05pm] Zakim: -anne [3:06pm] aemmons: AE: Sounds good [3:06pm] aemmons: CM: Sounds good [3:07pm] aemmons: DS: Focusing on one issue and moving forward should be a great way forward [3:08pm] shepazu: [9]http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/DOM3Events [9] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/DOM3Events [3:09pm] shepazu: public-webapi@w3.org [3:09pm] aemmons: DS: All of our technical discussions are done on the public WebAPI mailing list [3:11pm] aemmons: DS: Let's start with this double-click issue and move forward [3:12pm] aemmons: DS: No telcon next week, due to SVG F2F [3:12pm] aemmons: DS: I would love if we could be very agressive regarding this spec [3:12pm] aemmons: DS: Get feedback, spec updated, etc [3:13pm] aemmons: DS: Would go a long way in giving credibility [3:13pm] aemmons: DS: And if we could have a test as well that would be great [3:15pm] aemmons: DS: Would be good to have the tests transformable from HTML to SVG [3:17pm] aemmons: ACTION: AndrewE to summarize issues regarding double-click events and bring it up with the group [3:17pm] • trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it. [3:17pm] trackbot: Sorry, couldn't find user - AndrewE [3:17pm] aemmons: ACTION: AEmmons to summarize issues regarding double-click events and bring them up with the group [3:17pm] • trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it. [3:17pm] trackbot: Created ACTION-244 - Summarize issues regarding double-click events and bring them up with the group [on Andrew Emmons - due 2008-02-13]. [3:18pm] aemmons: ACTION: Carmelo to write double-click tests [3:18pm] • trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it. [3:18pm] trackbot: Created ACTION-245 - Write double-click tests [on Carmelo Montanez - due 2008-02-13]. [3:19pm] Zakim: -Carmelo [3:19pm] aemmons: rrsagent, make minutes [3:19pm] aemmons: zakim, bye [3:19pm] Zakim: leaving. As of this point the attendees were Carmelo, Andrew_Emmons, anne, shepazu [3:19pm] Zakim left the chat room. [3:20pm] aemmons: rrsagent, make minutes Summary of Action Items [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [10]scribe.perl version 1.133 ([11]CVS log) $Date: 2008/02/06 21:02:32 $ _________________________________________________________ [10] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [11] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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