- From: Mete Balcı <Mete.Balci@pozitron.com>
- Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 07:18:15 +0000
- To: GALINDO Virginie <Virginie.GALINDO@gemalto.com>, Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren@telia.com>, "public-web-security@w3.org" <public-web-security@w3.org>
Hello, Yes, I certainly agree with your point Virginie. I have a question: are we talking about the apps running in browser or host platform (sysapps?) or both ? Anders, thanks for sharing the post, and also I believe many security needs can be fulfilled with proper level of abstraction. For example, SE API already -although being hidden- may exist for native apps, but you cannot use it without proper rights/permissions. This comes to the point Virginie just mentioned, it requires support from the execution environment also. Maybe similar to my point about hardware component, and also see my post [1], related to key provisioning/storage, I think the app should be able to provide hints/constraints to the APIs and get more information about the key/certificate than what is usually provided by the APIs; basic needs I can think of is the nature of keys/key storage and if it is possible to relocate the keys (by extraction or by platform specific backup/restore). I think a similar discussion is going for Firefox OS also in [2] Mete [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcrypto/2013Sep/0045.html [2] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877535 ________________________________________ From: GALINDO Virginie <Virginie.GALINDO@gemalto.com> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 16:45 To: Anders Rundgren; public-web-security@w3.org; Mete Balcı Subject: RE: Web Security IG - a proposal of actions Anders, Mete, and all, I guess that the security analysis of web app on mobile, should address the entire life cycles of the webapps, meaning : - app design (including functions made available to the developers) - app packaging - app deployment/update - app usage (include the user granted rights) My view is that the hardware component assumptions will only be a part of the problem. We have here a reasonable number of ideas to open a wiki and start listing the perceived/existing problems... Will land in few days in our wiki http://www.w3.org/Security/wiki/IG [yes, we even have a wiki :)] Any other idea to load our homework ? Virginie -----Original Message----- From: Anders Rundgren [mailto:anders.rundgren@telia.com] Sent: jeudi 17 octobre 2013 12:02 To: Mete Balcı Cc: public-web-security@w3.org Subject: Re: Web Security IG - a proposal of actions On 2013-10-17 11:16, Mete Balcı wrote: > Hello Virginie and Dominique, > > I am also very interested on the topic -mobile security- and available for any discussion. > I think one of the difficulties here is also that by saying native we > sometimes/mostly refer to an hardware component or a software function > with hardware support. Since I guess the standard cannot be based on a > specific hardware feature, I believe some and correct level of > abstraction is needed based on, as Dominique pointed out, the gaps > seen by different industries, so the spec may not directly depend on whatever hardware there is, but the security concepts that is introduced by having such software/hardware components in the system. Hi Mete, This should be of interest: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sysapps/2013Oct/0024.html A question arises: Can you actually abstract a security element API and still maintain end-to-end security? Cheers, Anders This message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressees and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized use or disclosure, either whole or partial, is prohibited. E-mails are susceptible to alteration. Our company shall not be liable for the message if altered, changed or falsified. 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