Re: Call for Consensus: Incubations adoption

Hey Benjamin,



On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 12:42 AM Benjamin De Kosnik <bdekoz@mozilla.com>
wrote:

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> Mozilla is interested in prototyping layout instability, but is concerned
> about the potential overhead in making this a part of a standard and
> required for every page load.
>

Is the concern around implementation overhead, due to buffering?


> Further exploration is definitely needed, but in terms of the topic area,
> we see potential benefits for web users and content authors, so we wish to
> encourage webperf work in this area.
>

That's great to hear!


> I think it is probably too early to call for consensus on this.
>

To be clear, the CFC is about whether this is a draft the WG wants to adopt
as a Working Draft, not whether this is e.g. ready to advance in the
standards track beyond it.
The question is, do we want the exploration to continue to happen in the
WICG for now, or move to the WG?


> LCP and Event Timing we are working on, and a small delay from Aug 27 to
> the TPAC time frame would be much appreciated.
>

> Hope that clarifies things Ryosuke.
>
> best,
> Benjamin
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> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 12:23 PM Ryosuke Niwa <rniwa@apple.com> wrote:
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>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 5:24 AM, Yoav Weiss <yoav@yoav.ws> wrote:
>>
>> This is a Call for Consensus (CFC) to adopt the incubations listed below
>> as WG Working Drafts.
>>
>> As part of the process of preparing for rechartering
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K6l5JlEaUq9eSBNI9HGoLfeN9hpXLHlHPRW-WTjtBlU/edit#bookmark=id.zbjoasva17nm>,
>> I looked into relevant WICG incubations and found several that I believe
>> are mature enough to be adopted by the WG.
>>
>> Largest Contentful Paint
>> <https://wicg.github.io/largest-contentful-paint/>, Layout Instability
>> <https://wicg.github.io/layout-instability/>, Element Timing
>> <https://wicg.github.io/element-timing/>, Event Timing
>> <https://wicg.github.io/event-timing/> and IsInputPending
>> <https://wicg.github.io/is-input-pending/> were all thoroughly discussed
>> on the group's calls and meetings, and I believe are all in good shape to
>> be adopted as Working Drafts.
>> I'd like to seek the group's member consensus on adopting them.
>>
>> Voting is gathered on the following issues:
>> Event Timing #94 <https://github.com/WICG/event-timing/issues/94>, Element
>> Timing #48 <https://github.com/WICG/element-timing/issues/48>, Largest
>> Contentful Paint #57
>> <https://github.com/WICG/largest-contentful-paint/issues/57>, IsInputPending
>> #32 <https://github.com/WICG/is-input-pending/issues/32>, Layout
>> Instability #68 <https://github.com/WICG/layout-instability/issues/68>.
>>
>>
>> Do Google & Mozilla support any of these proposals? FWIW, we (Apple’s
>> WebKit team) do not necessarily support any of them, and we’re pretty much
>> against layout instability (as in we wouldn’t consider implementing it at
>> all; for other specifications we haven’t made up our minds yet). We’d like
>> to know before making our votes.
>>
>> - R. Niwa
>>
>>