RE: [ResourcePriorities] Scripts and integration with HTML spec

Arvind, as mentioned will continue to make the right decisions here in the web performance working group. Per our phone meeting notes on 3/26:

http://www.w3.org/2014/03/26-webperf-minutes.html




   Tobin:   last week, we were wondering if the HTML WG was still

   up-to-date with resource priorities. talked to Travis.

  http://www.w3.org/2014/03/20-html-wg-minutes.html#item09


  and bring them in sync they did tell us that we can bring things in the spec, once we're ready

(cleaned up for easier readability)

So I not only spoke with Travis from the HTML WG but also sat in on their meeting and made sure they were well aware that this is on their radar and they are tracking:


tobin: I'm from the web performance working group
... following up on resource priorities

     http://www.w3.org/2013/11/14-html-wg-minutes.html#item19


tobin: the work is continuing ion web performance

      http://www.w3.org/2014/03/19-webperf-minutes.html


tobin: some questions making sure we're still in sync with HTML 5.1
... just want to make sure the html group is aware of it

paul: this is an extension spec
... is this an item where you need hooks or future merge?

tobin: potentially, we might ask for a merge

paul: if your working group needs hooks, please feel free to ask

(cleaned up for easier readability)

I’ve looked through Ian’s requests and I think there are reasonable requests there that we should look at.

Regarding the question to do this work in HTML or hooking in later, I think we have that from the above conference call.  We can hook into HTML when we are ready. I don’t think that is now but my weekly sync with Travis will continue to let him know where we are with this spec so they aren’t blind-sided when we are ready to hook in.

Tobin


From: Arvind Jain [mailto:arvind@google.com]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 12:14 PM
To: Ian Hickson
Cc: Tobin Titus; Bruno Racineux; public-web-perf
Subject: Re: [ResourcePriorities] Scripts and integration with HTML spec

Hi Tobin,
Any update on this? We need to reply to Ian's questions in this thread:
 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2013Dec/0061.html


I believe we have consensus that eventually we'd like the concepts introduced in Resource priorities to be part of HTML5 (HTML5.1?) specification. So what is the plan of action? If we are going to continue to first spec it in a separate document, please respond to Ian's questions.

Thanks,
Arvind

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch<mailto:ian@hixie.ch>> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, Tobin Titus wrote:
>
> Resource Priorities is in the Web Performance Working Group charter. As
> a working group, we have been making significant progress here and I
> even have some more changes in flight per our last discussion. We have
> all of the right performance people and browser vendors involved in the
> conversation here and, while I was not there, I have the notes that show
> this was discussed at TPAC extensively as well.  We want to have one
> spec where we address the end-to-end problem. One we feel that our
> solution addresses the performance issue, we can consider if it makes
> sense to incorporate our fixes into the HTML 5.1 spec.
>
> That said, we should remain consistent so if there is a conflict with
> <script> I am happy to resolve those conflicts in this spec.
>
> Ian, If you have use cases that we have not accounted for, particularly
> those with script, please send them so I can incorporate them. As
> always, you're more than welcome to work with us here in the Web
> Performance Working Group.
Oh. This seems to contradict what Arvind said.

I'm fine either way. I just need to know what's going on. Until Arvind
just replied yesterday, there had been no reply to my e-mail from
December:

   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2013Dec/0061.html


If this group is going to continue its work on HTML, rather than it being
done in the HTML spec, then we should go back to that e-mail and discuss
the points I raised in there in more detail, so that I know how we're
going to address them and so that we can more closely coordinate extensions.

Cheers,
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