Re: [ResourcePriorities] Scripts and integration with HTML spec

Thanks Tobin.
Please answer Ian's questions asap - they are specific and he's been
waiting for a long time now.

Arvind


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Tobin Titus <tobint@microsoft.com> wrote:

>  Arvind, as mentioned will continue to make the right decisions here in
> the web performance working group. Per our phone meeting notes on 3/26:
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> http://www.w3.org/2014/03/26-webperf-minutes.html
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>    Tobin:   last week, we were wondering if the HTML WG was still
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>    up-to-date with resource priorities. talked to Travis.
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>   http://www.w3.org/2014/03/20-html-wg-minutes.html#item09
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>   and bring them in sync they did tell us that we can bring things in the
> spec, once we're ready
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> So I not only spoke with Travis from the HTML WG but also sat in on their
> meeting and made sure they were well aware that this is on their radar and
> they are tracking:
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> *tobin:* I'm from the web performance working group
> ... following up on resource priorities
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>      http://www.w3.org/2013/11/14-html-wg-minutes.html#item19
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> *tobin:* the work is continuing ion web performance
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>       http://www.w3.org/2014/03/19-webperf-minutes.html
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> *tobin:* some questions making sure we're still in sync with HTML 5.1
> ... just want to make sure the html group is aware of it
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> *paul:* this is an extension spec
> ... is this an item where you need hooks or future merge?
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> *tobin:* potentially, we might ask for a merge
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> *paul:* if your working group needs hooks, please feel free to ask
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> I’ve looked through Ian’s requests and I think there are reasonable
> requests there that we should look at.
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> Regarding the question to do this work in HTML or hooking in later, I
> think we have that from the above conference call.  We can hook into HTML
> when we are ready. I don’t think that is now but my weekly sync with Travis
> will continue to let him know where we are with this spec so they aren’t
> blind-sided when we are ready to hook in.
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> Tobin
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> *From:* Arvind Jain [mailto:arvind@google.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, April 11, 2014 12:14 PM
> *To:* Ian Hickson
> *Cc:* Tobin Titus; Bruno Racineux; public-web-perf
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> *Subject:* Re: [ResourcePriorities] Scripts and integration with HTML spec
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> Hi Tobin,
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> Any update on this? We need to reply to Ian's questions in this thread:
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>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2013Dec/0061.html
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> I believe we have consensus that eventually we'd like the concepts
> introduced in Resource priorities to be part of HTML5 (HTML5.1?)
> specification. So what is the plan of action? If we are going to continue
> to first spec it in a separate document, please respond to Ian's questions.
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> Thanks,
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> Arvind
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> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch> wrote:
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>  On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, Tobin Titus wrote:
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> > Resource Priorities is in the Web Performance Working Group charter. As
> > a working group, we have been making significant progress here and I
> > even have some more changes in flight per our last discussion. We have
> > all of the right performance people and browser vendors involved in the
> > conversation here and, while I was not there, I have the notes that show
> > this was discussed at TPAC extensively as well.  We want to have one
> > spec where we address the end-to-end problem. One we feel that our
> > solution addresses the performance issue, we can consider if it makes
> > sense to incorporate our fixes into the HTML 5.1 spec.
> >
> > That said, we should remain consistent so if there is a conflict with
> > <script> I am happy to resolve those conflicts in this spec.
> >
> > Ian, If you have use cases that we have not accounted for, particularly
> > those with script, please send them so I can incorporate them. As
> > always, you're more than welcome to work with us here in the Web
> > Performance Working Group.
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> Oh. This seems to contradict what Arvind said.
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> I'm fine either way. I just need to know what's going on. Until Arvind
> just replied yesterday, there had been no reply to my e-mail from
> December:
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>    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2013Dec/0061.html
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> If this group is going to continue its work on HTML, rather than it being
> done in the HTML spec, then we should go back to that e-mail and discuss
> the points I raised in there in more detail, so that I know how we're
> going to address them and so that we can more closely coordinate
> extensions.
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> Cheers,
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