- From: Vickers, Mark <Mark_Vickers@cable.comcast.com>
- Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:50:22 +0000
- To: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- CC: "public-web-and-tv@w3.org" <public-web-and-tv@w3.org>
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This is interesting, but, while it's useful internally, it won't be enough for the testing group. The testing group now has a list of required APIs for mobile and another list for TV. The whole point of this effort is to replace the TV list with something more representative. To do that, we need to agree on a criteria for a binary choice for each API: is it in our list or is it not. Otherwise, we send a whole lot of unanalyzed data to the testing group and dump the decision on them.
I'd suggest we define a threshold value for the internal and external survey and include an API if it is above the internal threshold OR the external threshold. For example, any API with an average response equal or greater than:
- 3 on internal OR
- 3 on external
I'm not really arguing for this particular threshold level, but that we need one.
Thanks,
mav
On Sep 11, 2013, at 6:44 AM, "Kazuyuki Ashimura" <ashimura@w3.org<mailto:ashimura@w3.org>> wrote:
Hi group,
I got the following action item from the previous call:
> [NEW] ACTION: Kaz to add a graph for discussion [recorded in
> [14]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-webtv-minutes.html#action01]
So I've generated a graph based on the survey result
at:
http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Testing/survey-results
Please see attached "survey.png".
I also added some description on the figure at:
http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Testing/survey-results#Graph_generated_using_the_above_results
Thanks,
Kazuyuki
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org<mailto:ashimura@w3.org>> wrote:
available at:
http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-webtv-minutes.html
also as text below.
Thanks a lot for taking these minutes, Bin!
Kazuyuki
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[1]W3C
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- DRAFT -
Web and TV Interest Group Teleconference
28 Aug 2013
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-webtv-irc
Attendees
Present
Bin, Daniel, Kaz, Clarke, Sheau, Paul
Regrets
Chair
Clarke
Scribe
Bin_Hu
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Survey results table
2. [5]Requirements document
* [6]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
Survey result table
Clarke: let's get started
... let's review the changes and comments on the table and
coments if any
... let's review and schedule
... let's look at the table first
<Clarke> [7]survey results table
[7] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Testing/survey-results
Clarke: what Giuseppe did was to consolidate the table
... on top of the table, Giuseppe added the data
paul: the external votes are 17 out of 20, and internal votes
are 44 out of 44.
Clarke: that's right. One of the agenda is to get introduction
of the table
... do we think it sufficient, or do we need some explanatory
text?
paul: it is the short start of the real table of data. probably
it is enough
Paul: I know we agree to do this, I am fine with the result. I
don't know how we assign the value to the result
... if you scroll down a little bit of the table
... for example CSS Flexible, the score is 9. There are
different way to give 9, or give 4 or 3
... the 3rd column, you got 17 from different ways, for example
4 can say 4 and 1 can say 1, or 2 can say 4 and 3 can say 3
Clarke: I agree if you get the sample site, it won't you give
you a lot of information, it gives you some information. For
example, if you get 500 response
Kaz: we have done the merge of external response and internal
response, but can we do some analysis?
<kaz> ... e.g., from 2-dimensional viewpoint. internal vote
value can correspond to X-axis, and external vote value can
correspond to Y-axis
Clarke: I am wondering if we can proactively to do this,
... or if HTML test task force comes back, and tells us
something
... I am open
paul: graph is interesting, and we can learn from quadrant
... what the priorities are
Clarke: if you want to do a graph, we can all look at it and
add some important information
Kaz: I can do this
<scribe> ACTION: Kaz to add a graph for discussion [recorded in
[8]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-webtv-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-137 - Add a graph for discussion [on
Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2013-09-04].
Clarke: the table stays the same. the graph would be
essentially the whole table
Sheau: my understanding is to get one column is x, one column
is y, and each row is a graph
Clarke: I am not sure which is easy way to see
Kaz: I will do the easiest to see. There are options to draw
graph. Maybe I can explore those options
<kaz> ... simple graph or scatter one
<kaz> ... may be 2-d or might be 3-d
Sheau: I support the idea of graph, I am not sure which way to
visualize it
paul: bubble graph, x internal votes 0 to 44, y external votes
0 to 20
... we also need to learn it once we have done it
Clarke: we can do that, and take a look at it next time
... any other comments on the table?
... if not, let move on to the next topic
Requirements document
<Clarke> [9]Requirements document
[9] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zY5_C0ZK4_Z2_WMSf2MSu5pBI8tNAgmL2o-Ua_rv1Jg/edit
Clarke: is there any track changes in google doc? I couldn't
see what changes Giuseppe made
... he highlighted it
... looks like he re-organize it
Paul: there is a revision history
Clarke: let's toggle between them
Clarke: I didn't notice anything that is obviously a change.
Maybe we need Giuseppe to explain what changes he made next
time
... maybe I will ask him to point out what are the changes
<scribe> ACTION: Clarke to ask Giuseppe to point out the
changes of the requirement document [recorded in
[10]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-webtv-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-138 - Ask giuseppe to point out the
changes of the requirement document [on Clarke Stevens - due
2013-09-04].
Clarke: are there changes someone else made?
Sheau: I assume the formatting will be cleaned up later, right?
Clarke: right. Also we talked about the document organizational
changes last time. Such as details are inconsistent
... Giuseppe wanted to normalize it a little bit
... referencing general standard
... we want to capture what need to be tested
... let's move on to schedule
... last week we had a proposal to get the table there. We are
almost there.
... Is there an official format?
Kaz: we can have an Editor Draft version. Later on, we can use
HTML format to be more conformant to W3C style
... I can create a static HTML file based on that
... then we can ask webmaster to publish it
Clarke: are you going to do it?
... If nobody else, I will work with Kaz, Giuseppe, Daniel on
that
<scribe> ACTION: Clarke to work with Giuseppe, Kaz and Daniel
to convert the table to HTML format [recorded in
[11]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-webtv-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-139 - Work with giuseppe, kaz and
daniel to convert the table to html format [on Clarke Stevens -
due 2013-09-04].
Clarke: any other business?
... if not, thank you and we will have tasks for the next a
couple weeks
... let's adjourn
<Clarke> Thanks, bin
<kaz> [ adjourned ]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Clarke to ask Giuseppe to point out the changes
of the requirement document [recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-webtv-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Clarke to work with Giuseppe, Kaz and Daniel to
convert the table to HTML format [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-webtv-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Kaz to add a graph for discussion [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-webtv-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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