Re: [tt] Minutes of Timed Text TF teleconference, 11 July 2013

Hi Silvia,

Thanks for the input.

It looks like the use cases cover the case of user-supplied
subtitles/captions. True? If so, what about subtitles/captions
supplied by the content owner and/or ingested as part of the initial
content upload?

Thanks,

Best,

-- Pierre

On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer
<silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Pierre,
>
> I don't have time for the pretty drawings, but from what I can tell
> e.g. from seeing YouTube and other online video publishers use
> subtitles, it's not a difficult picture anyway.
>
> user
>  |
>     uploads video
>  |
>  v
> video-identifier added to CMS
>  |
>    convert video file to all formats used by CMS
>  |
>  v
> all [video-file, video-identifier] added to CMS
>
>
> user (potentially the same or other)
>  |
>     uploads a subtitle file for a video-identifier to CMS
>  |
> v
> [subtitle-identifier, video-identifier] added to CMS
>  |
>     convert subtitle file to all formats used by CMS
>  |
>  v
> all [subtitle-file, subtitle-identifier, video-identifier] added to CMS
>
>
> user (video viewer)
>  |
>     views page with video & subtitle formats as supported by their
> player/browser
>  |
>     chooses particular subtitle track
>  |
> v
> watches video with subtitles
>
>
> HTH.
>
> Cheers,
> Silvia.
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux
> <pal@sandflow.com> wrote:
>> Hi Silvia,
>>
>> As suggested during the call, the objective is to document the
>> caption/subtitling ecosystem, using these diagrams as well as others
>> as starting point.
>>
>> Looking forward to your input and participation.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> -- Pierre
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
>> <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks. No surprises there (except that WebVTT is completely missing
>>> from the pictures).
>>> I guess somebody needs to create a picture for how it works with
>>> native Web content through Web CMSes.
>>>
>>> Silvia.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux
>>> <pal@sandflow.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Silvia,
>>>>
>>>> Below are two that come to mind:
>>>>
>>>> http://tech.ebu.ch/ebu-tt
>>>> https://www.smpte.org/publications/wallcharts
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> -- Pierre
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
>>>> <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Sorry I wasn't able to join this morning. Family commitments.
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone mentioned a link to the process in dock captions end up on the web.
>>>>> Could you share the link?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Silvia.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12 Jul 2013 07:57, "Daniel Davis" <ddavis@w3.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Available at:
>>>>>>  http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-webtv-minutes.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also as text below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you to Kaz for the note-taking hand-holding and tidying up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    [1]W3C
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       [1] http://www.w3.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                                - DRAFT -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                    Web and TV IG - Timed Text TF Call
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 11 Jul 2013
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    [2]Agenda
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       [2] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/Timed_Text_Meeting_5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    See also: [3]IRC log
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-webtv-irc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Attendees
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Present
>>>>>>           Kaz, Daniel, Graham, Pierre, Glenn, Mark, Mike
>>>>>>           (Observer)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Regrets
>>>>>>    Chair
>>>>>>           Pierre
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Scribe
>>>>>>           ddavis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Contents
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      * [4]Topics
>>>>>>          1. [5]Daniel is joining
>>>>>>          2. [6]Input to Timed Text WG charter revision process
>>>>>>          3. [7]Improve the structure of Timed_Text_Efforts
>>>>>>          4. [8]Ecosystem drawing
>>>>>>          5. [9]Next call
>>>>>>      * [10]Summary of Action Items
>>>>>>      __________________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    <kaz> kaz: ok to invite Mike Dolan to this call?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    <kaz> pal: ok
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    <kaz> (Mike's participation is approved)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel is joining
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    <kaz> ddavis: 50% Team Contact :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    <Mark_Vickers> Welcome, Daniel. Glad to have you with us!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Thank you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Input to Timed Text WG charter revision process
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    <pal>
>>>>>>    [11]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/TTWG_Consensus_Input
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      [11] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/TTWG_Consensus_Input
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    <scribe> scribenick: ddavis
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    <pal> proposed additional text at
>>>>>>    [12]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/Timed_Text_Meeting_5#P
>>>>>>    roposed_Agenda
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      [12]
>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/Timed_Text_Meeting_5#Proposed_Agenda
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    pal: I'm going to add this proposed text to the Consensus Input
>>>>>>    now
>>>>>>    ... The change is now added (as point 5)
>>>>>>    ... Something that was not perhaps clear is that the Web & TV
>>>>>>    IG was supporting the addition of WebVTT deliverables to the
>>>>>>    TTWG deliverables
>>>>>>    ... so maybe there should be a sentence added to that effect.
>>>>>>    ... Showing that we support WebVTT as part of the deliverables
>>>>>>    for the Timed Text WG.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    <kaz> Mark_Vickers: good place to do that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    pal: Again, I'm going to make this addition to the Consensus
>>>>>>    Input now.
>>>>>>    ... Has now been added to the paragraph before the numbered
>>>>>>    items.
>>>>>>    ... If there are no objections, I'll post this back to the
>>>>>>    Interest Group reflector
>>>>>>    ... and hopefully the IG can then forward this to W3C Team.
>>>>>>    ... Thank you - I think this closes one of our work items.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    <pal> next agenda topic:
>>>>>>    [13]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/Timed_Text_Efforts
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      [13] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/Timed_Text_Efforts
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    <scribe> ACTION: pal to post the Consensus Input to the
>>>>>>    Interest Group reflector [recorded in
>>>>>>    [14]http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-webtv-minutes.html#action01]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    <trackbot> Created ACTION-121 - Post the Consensus Input to the
>>>>>>    Interest Group reflector [on Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due
>>>>>>    2013-07-18].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Improve the structure of Timed_Text_Efforts
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    pal: There has been the suggestion that this wiki page could be
>>>>>>    better organised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Mark_Vickers: I have some ideas and would be happy to work with
>>>>>>    you offline
>>>>>>    ... to update this page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    mike: It seems there's a tangle in this process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    pal: Only members can edit the wiki.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Mark_Vickers: I'll push to get that resolved so that I can edit
>>>>>>    it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    mike: We have some private email with ideas that could really
>>>>>>    improve this page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    pal: Thanks - I'm happy to help as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ecosystem drawing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    pal: Next item is "ecosystem drawing"
>>>>>>    ... How do all those captions out there end up on the web, etc?
>>>>>>    ... I put up a link to an overview of the caption workflow that
>>>>>>    EBU and others use.
>>>>>>    ... It might be good for this group to create a similar
>>>>>>    illustration of how timed text is created and ultimately put on
>>>>>>    the web.
>>>>>>    ... I'm spending time on it but if someone else has a strong
>>>>>>    opinion on it, I'm happy.
>>>>>>    ... I'd like to hear other opinions - is it needed? Is it
>>>>>>    needed here? Is it needed urgently?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    mark_vickers: I think it's useful to have to shed light on some
>>>>>>    of the difficulties we're facing
>>>>>>    ... but I think people in the TT WG specifically are probably
>>>>>>    aware of this already.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    pal: Any other comments about this?
>>>>>>    ... No? OK. Any other new topics?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next call
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    pal: Hearing none and having gone through the agenda, let's
>>>>>>    choose a date for our next meeting.
>>>>>>    ... I think 2pm is the best compromise. How about August 1st?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    <kaz> (that is August 2, 6am in Japan)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    pal: This timeslot was made to try to accommodate everyone
>>>>>>    including Sylvia in Australia, so I think we should give this
>>>>>>    timeslot another try.
>>>>>>    ... so let's try August 1st, 2pm Los Angeles time.
>>>>>>    ... Thank you every - look forward to speaking to you again in
>>>>>>    2 weeks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    <kaz> [ adjourned ]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Summary of Action Items
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    [NEW] ACTION: pal to post the Consensus Input to the Interest
>>>>>>    Group reflector [recorded in
>>>>>>    [15]http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-webtv-minutes.html#action01]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    [End of minutes]
>>>>>>      __________________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>     $Date: 2013-07-11 21:46:40 $
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>>>>>>
>>>>>

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