- From: Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com>
- Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 11:20:16 +0200
- To: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
- Cc: "public-web-and-tv@w3.org" <public-web-and-tv@w3.org>
Hi Silvia, Thanks for the input. It looks like the use cases cover the case of user-supplied subtitles/captions. True? If so, what about subtitles/captions supplied by the content owner and/or ingested as part of the initial content upload? Thanks, Best, -- Pierre On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Pierre, > > I don't have time for the pretty drawings, but from what I can tell > e.g. from seeing YouTube and other online video publishers use > subtitles, it's not a difficult picture anyway. > > user > | > uploads video > | > v > video-identifier added to CMS > | > convert video file to all formats used by CMS > | > v > all [video-file, video-identifier] added to CMS > > > user (potentially the same or other) > | > uploads a subtitle file for a video-identifier to CMS > | > v > [subtitle-identifier, video-identifier] added to CMS > | > convert subtitle file to all formats used by CMS > | > v > all [subtitle-file, subtitle-identifier, video-identifier] added to CMS > > > user (video viewer) > | > views page with video & subtitle formats as supported by their > player/browser > | > chooses particular subtitle track > | > v > watches video with subtitles > > > HTH. > > Cheers, > Silvia. > > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux > <pal@sandflow.com> wrote: >> Hi Silvia, >> >> As suggested during the call, the objective is to document the >> caption/subtitling ecosystem, using these diagrams as well as others >> as starting point. >> >> Looking forward to your input and participation. >> >> Best, >> >> -- Pierre >> >> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer >> <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Thanks. No surprises there (except that WebVTT is completely missing >>> from the pictures). >>> I guess somebody needs to create a picture for how it works with >>> native Web content through Web CMSes. >>> >>> Silvia. >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux >>> <pal@sandflow.com> wrote: >>>> Hi Silvia, >>>> >>>> Below are two that come to mind: >>>> >>>> http://tech.ebu.ch/ebu-tt >>>> https://www.smpte.org/publications/wallcharts >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> -- Pierre >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer >>>> <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Sorry I wasn't able to join this morning. Family commitments. >>>>> >>>>> Someone mentioned a link to the process in dock captions end up on the web. >>>>> Could you share the link? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> Silvia. >>>>> >>>>> On 12 Jul 2013 07:57, "Daniel Davis" <ddavis@w3.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Available at: >>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-webtv-minutes.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Also as text below. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you to Kaz for the note-taking hand-holding and tidying up. >>>>>> >>>>>> Daniel >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> >>>>>> [1]W3C >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> - DRAFT - >>>>>> >>>>>> Web and TV IG - Timed Text TF Call >>>>>> >>>>>> 11 Jul 2013 >>>>>> >>>>>> [2]Agenda >>>>>> >>>>>> [2] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/Timed_Text_Meeting_5 >>>>>> >>>>>> See also: [3]IRC log >>>>>> >>>>>> [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-webtv-irc >>>>>> >>>>>> Attendees >>>>>> >>>>>> Present >>>>>> Kaz, Daniel, Graham, Pierre, Glenn, Mark, Mike >>>>>> (Observer) >>>>>> >>>>>> Regrets >>>>>> Chair >>>>>> Pierre >>>>>> >>>>>> Scribe >>>>>> ddavis >>>>>> >>>>>> Contents >>>>>> >>>>>> * [4]Topics >>>>>> 1. [5]Daniel is joining >>>>>> 2. [6]Input to Timed Text WG charter revision process >>>>>> 3. [7]Improve the structure of Timed_Text_Efforts >>>>>> 4. [8]Ecosystem drawing >>>>>> 5. [9]Next call >>>>>> * [10]Summary of Action Items >>>>>> __________________________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> <kaz> kaz: ok to invite Mike Dolan to this call? >>>>>> >>>>>> <kaz> pal: ok >>>>>> >>>>>> <kaz> (Mike's participation is approved) >>>>>> >>>>>> Daniel is joining >>>>>> >>>>>> <kaz> ddavis: 50% Team Contact :) >>>>>> >>>>>> <Mark_Vickers> Welcome, Daniel. Glad to have you with us! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>> >>>>>> Input to Timed Text WG charter revision process >>>>>> >>>>>> <pal> >>>>>> [11]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/TTWG_Consensus_Input >>>>>> >>>>>> [11] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/TTWG_Consensus_Input >>>>>> >>>>>> <scribe> scribenick: ddavis >>>>>> >>>>>> <pal> proposed additional text at >>>>>> [12]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/Timed_Text_Meeting_5#P >>>>>> roposed_Agenda >>>>>> >>>>>> [12] >>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/Timed_Text_Meeting_5#Proposed_Agenda >>>>>> >>>>>> pal: I'm going to add this proposed text to the Consensus Input >>>>>> now >>>>>> ... The change is now added (as point 5) >>>>>> ... Something that was not perhaps clear is that the Web & TV >>>>>> IG was supporting the addition of WebVTT deliverables to the >>>>>> TTWG deliverables >>>>>> ... so maybe there should be a sentence added to that effect. >>>>>> ... Showing that we support WebVTT as part of the deliverables >>>>>> for the Timed Text WG. >>>>>> >>>>>> <kaz> Mark_Vickers: good place to do that >>>>>> >>>>>> pal: Again, I'm going to make this addition to the Consensus >>>>>> Input now. >>>>>> ... Has now been added to the paragraph before the numbered >>>>>> items. >>>>>> ... If there are no objections, I'll post this back to the >>>>>> Interest Group reflector >>>>>> ... and hopefully the IG can then forward this to W3C Team. >>>>>> ... Thank you - I think this closes one of our work items. >>>>>> >>>>>> <pal> next agenda topic: >>>>>> [13]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/Timed_Text_Efforts >>>>>> >>>>>> [13] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/Timed_Text_Efforts >>>>>> >>>>>> <scribe> ACTION: pal to post the Consensus Input to the >>>>>> Interest Group reflector [recorded in >>>>>> [14]http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-webtv-minutes.html#action01] >>>>>> >>>>>> <trackbot> Created ACTION-121 - Post the Consensus Input to the >>>>>> Interest Group reflector [on Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due >>>>>> 2013-07-18]. >>>>>> >>>>>> Improve the structure of Timed_Text_Efforts >>>>>> >>>>>> pal: There has been the suggestion that this wiki page could be >>>>>> better organised. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark_Vickers: I have some ideas and would be happy to work with >>>>>> you offline >>>>>> ... to update this page. >>>>>> >>>>>> mike: It seems there's a tangle in this process. >>>>>> >>>>>> pal: Only members can edit the wiki. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark_Vickers: I'll push to get that resolved so that I can edit >>>>>> it. >>>>>> >>>>>> mike: We have some private email with ideas that could really >>>>>> improve this page. >>>>>> >>>>>> pal: Thanks - I'm happy to help as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ecosystem drawing >>>>>> >>>>>> pal: Next item is "ecosystem drawing" >>>>>> ... How do all those captions out there end up on the web, etc? >>>>>> ... I put up a link to an overview of the caption workflow that >>>>>> EBU and others use. >>>>>> ... It might be good for this group to create a similar >>>>>> illustration of how timed text is created and ultimately put on >>>>>> the web. >>>>>> ... I'm spending time on it but if someone else has a strong >>>>>> opinion on it, I'm happy. >>>>>> ... I'd like to hear other opinions - is it needed? Is it >>>>>> needed here? Is it needed urgently? >>>>>> >>>>>> mark_vickers: I think it's useful to have to shed light on some >>>>>> of the difficulties we're facing >>>>>> ... but I think people in the TT WG specifically are probably >>>>>> aware of this already. >>>>>> >>>>>> pal: Any other comments about this? >>>>>> ... No? OK. Any other new topics? >>>>>> >>>>>> Next call >>>>>> >>>>>> pal: Hearing none and having gone through the agenda, let's >>>>>> choose a date for our next meeting. >>>>>> ... I think 2pm is the best compromise. How about August 1st? >>>>>> >>>>>> <kaz> (that is August 2, 6am in Japan) >>>>>> >>>>>> pal: This timeslot was made to try to accommodate everyone >>>>>> including Sylvia in Australia, so I think we should give this >>>>>> timeslot another try. >>>>>> ... so let's try August 1st, 2pm Los Angeles time. >>>>>> ... Thank you every - look forward to speaking to you again in >>>>>> 2 weeks. >>>>>> >>>>>> <kaz> [ adjourned ] >>>>>> >>>>>> Summary of Action Items >>>>>> >>>>>> [NEW] ACTION: pal to post the Consensus Input to the Interest >>>>>> Group reflector [recorded in >>>>>> [15]http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-webtv-minutes.html#action01] >>>>>> >>>>>> [End of minutes] >>>>>> __________________________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Minutes formatted by David Booth's [16]scribe.perl version >>>>>> 1.138 ([17]CVS log) >>>>>> $Date: 2013-07-11 21:46:40 $ >>>>>> >>>>>> [16] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm >>>>>> [17] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>
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