Re: [web-adv] minutes and next meeting agenda, 28 July

Hi Wendy and group,

It might be a little late, but we would like to add three items to the
coming agenda(s):

*1) Public recordings of IWABG calls*
We all welcomed the fact the minutes of the weekly call are now publicly
available. However, due to many factors (poor sound quality, people talking
at the same time or really fast, non-American accents - pardon our french
:)), the minutes are sadly often incomplete and fail to convey some crucial
points that would be needed to continue fruitful discussions either during
following calls or on github. Note to discard the tremendous job done by
Wendy and her team, but I feel the only way to solve this is to record the
sessions and make them publicly available. I have created this particular
issue to discuss this: https://github.com/w3c/web-advertising/issues/72

*2) Simulate reporting options for publisher and advertisers.*
We have had long discussions about how reporting could affect to some
extent privacy theoretically (see https://github.com/WICG/sparrow/issues/16),
and being in alignment with Google’s Charlie Harrison when he said « we
want to see some analysis of the tradeoffs”, we would like to discuss the
opportunity to provide simulations to end users (advertisers and
publishers) for them to provide feedbacks on how actionable or disruptive
these reporting levels would be, and use these as a way to compare
proposals with each other. In this fashion, and as a first step, we
published scripts (they can be found through the link above) simulating
thresholding and differential privacy effects on the day to day operational
reports they use, we would welcome any reviews of said scripts and ideas to
bring this further.

*3) Contradictory announcements, agendas and schedules*
Over the past few months, the Google team took on them to answer a great
many deals of the questions the group asked. We do welcome transparency.
However, some contradictions arose across time, and some key announcements
that happened during this call did not transpire anywhere else.
For example:

   - In March Marshall Vale said that 3rd Party Cookies would be deprecated
   *once* a privacy focused advertising-friendly alternative has been
   found. This is in line with what is currently officially published on the
   google blog. But a few weeks ago, the Google team said that success of any
   of the privacy sandbox proposals was not a necessary condition for the
   phase out of 3rd party cookies. What is the current status of this?
   - Last week, the Google team said that in the future, Google would play
   at the same levels as other players, and use the same framework as others.
   However, it is not clear when this would happen (once 3rd party cookies are
   deprecated, or when FLOC/TURTLEDOVE/SPARROW take their flight?
   - Some advertisers, publishers and other groups do receive google decks
   with timelines that have not necessarily been shared to this group, and
   sometimes are not always up to date / with the same level of
information. Could
   you share these as well?

I think it would be very much welcomed to have a reference timeline and
chain of events (xxx is needed to get to yyy – or not) on the crucial
points mentioned above (deprecation of 3PC, privacy sandbox project
completion, end of user-level advertising based on chrome_id). It would be
very useful for everyone, and in particular for us in the development of
our SPARROW proposal. Could the Google team provide more color on the
timeline and  chain of events?

I know these are a lot to cover, but let’s try!

Thanks
Arnaud

Le lun. 27 juil. 2020 à 16:59, Wendy Seltzer <wseltzer@w3.org> a écrit :

> Hi Web Advertising BG,
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> Draft minutes from 21 July:
> https://www.w3.org/2020/07/21-web-adv-minutes.html
> We discussed the Gatekeeper and Proprietary Cohorts proposals.
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> Next Meeting: Tuesday, 28 July, 11am Eastern. Call details linked below.
> Please share agenda requests with agenda+
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> Draft agenda:
> * Agenda-curation, introductions
> * Success Criteria [jrosewell]
> * Issue digests [dialtone]: group ideas on how to gather issue digests?
> * Dashboard highlights https://w3c.github.io/web-advertising/dashboard/
> * AOB
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> Call-in info at:
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/internal-web-adv/2020Apr/0000.html
> (let me know if you need me to send it to you directly).
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> irc for real-time queueing and minutes is http://irc.w3.org #web-adv
> Github repo: https://github.com/w3c/web-advertising
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> Thanks,
> --Wendy
>
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> Wendy Seltzer -- wseltzer@w3.org
> Strategy Lead and Counsel, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
> https://wendy.seltzer.org/        +1.617.863.0613 (mobile)
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