Re: [web-adv] minutes and next meeting agenda, 28 July

+1 on public recordings of IWABG calls.

 

Since IWABG minutes are public, it would be a much more accessible and digest way for outside stakeholders that are not familiar with the W3C to follow accurately the debates.

 

Thibault. 

 

De : Arnaud Blanchard <arnaud.blanchard.87@gmail.com>
Date : lundi 27 juillet 2020 à 18:50
À : Wendy Seltzer <wseltzer@w3.org>
Cc : "public-web-adv@w3.org" <public-web-adv@w3.org>
Objet : Re: [web-adv] minutes and next meeting agenda, 28 July
Renvoyer - De : <public-web-adv@w3.org>
Renvoyer - Date : Mon, 27 Jul 2020 16:49:58 +0000

 

Hi Wendy and group, 

It might be a little late, but we would like to add three items to the coming agenda(s):

1) Public recordings of IWABG calls
We all welcomed the fact the minutes of the weekly call are now publicly available. However, due to many factors (poor sound quality, people talking at the same time or really fast, non-American accents - pardon our french :)), the minutes are sadly often incomplete and fail to convey some crucial points that would be needed to continue fruitful discussions either during following calls or on github. Note to discard the tremendous job done by Wendy and her team, but I feel the only way to solve this is to record the sessions and make them publicly available. I have created this particular issue to discuss this: https://github.com/w3c/web-advertising/issues/72

2) Simulate reporting options for publisher and advertisers.
We have had long discussions about how reporting could affect to some extent privacy theoretically (see https://github.com/WICG/sparrow/issues/16), and being in alignment with Google’s Charlie Harrison when he said « we want to see some analysis of the tradeoffs”, we would like to discuss the opportunity to provide simulations to end users (advertisers and publishers) for them to provide feedbacks on how actionable or disruptive these reporting levels would be, and use these as a way to compare proposals with each other. In this fashion, and as a first step, we published scripts (they can be found through the link above) simulating thresholding and differential privacy effects on the day to day operational reports they use, we would welcome any reviews of said scripts and ideas to bring this further.

3) Contradictory announcements, agendas and schedules
Over the past few months, the Google team took on them to answer a great many deals of the questions the group asked. We do welcome transparency. However, some contradictions arose across time, and some key announcements that happened during this call did not transpire anywhere else.
For example:
In March Marshall Vale said that 3rd Party Cookies would be deprecated once a privacy focused advertising-friendly alternative has been found. This is in line with what is currently officially published on the google blog. But a few weeks ago, the Google team said that success of any of the privacy sandbox proposals was not a necessary condition for the phase out of 3rd party cookies. What is the current status of this?
Last week, the Google team said that in the future, Google would play at the same levels as other players, and use the same framework as others. However, it is not clear when this would happen (once 3rd party cookies are deprecated, or when FLOC/TURTLEDOVE/SPARROW take their flight?
Some advertisers, publishers and other groups do receive google decks with timelines that have not necessarily been shared to this group, and sometimes are not always up to date / with the same level of information. Could you share these as well?
I think it would be very much welcomed to have a reference timeline and chain of events (xxx is needed to get to yyy – or not) on the crucial points mentioned above (deprecation of 3PC, privacy sandbox project completion, end of user-level advertising based on chrome_id). It would be very useful for everyone, and in particular for us in the development of our SPARROW proposal. Could the Google team provide more color on the timeline and  chain of events? 

I know these are a lot to cover, but let’s try!

Thanks 
Arnaud

 

Le lun. 27 juil. 2020 à 16:59, Wendy Seltzer <wseltzer@w3.org> a écrit :

Hi Web Advertising BG,

Draft minutes from 21 July:
https://www.w3.org/2020/07/21-web-adv-minutes.html
We discussed the Gatekeeper and Proprietary Cohorts proposals.

Next Meeting: Tuesday, 28 July, 11am Eastern. Call details linked below.
Please share agenda requests with agenda+

Draft agenda:
* Agenda-curation, introductions
* Success Criteria [jrosewell]
* Issue digests [dialtone]: group ideas on how to gather issue digests?
* Dashboard highlights https://w3c.github.io/web-advertising/dashboard/
* AOB


Call-in info at:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/internal-web-adv/2020Apr/0000.html
(let me know if you need me to send it to you directly).

irc for real-time queueing and minutes is http://irc.w3.org #web-adv
Github repo: https://github.com/w3c/web-advertising


Thanks,
--Wendy

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Strategy Lead and Counsel, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
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