- From: Chris Wilson <cwilso@google.com>
- Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 10:45:45 -0800
- To: "Siegman, Tzviya" <tsiegman@wiley.com>
- Cc: "singer@apple.com" <singer@apple.com>, Michael Champion <Michael.Champion@microsoft.com>, W3C Process CG <public-w3process@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAJK2wqVDAjr7hmMsWY9KJt+7vbFcNdKEaOmbTdbS=iaVOF7iVg@mail.gmail.com>
And my belated regrets; recovering from Chrome Dev Summit and slept through it. On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:54 AM Siegman, Tzviya <tsiegman@wiley.com> wrote: > Sorry. Last minute regrets > > Tzviya Siegman > Information Standards Lead > Wiley > 201-748-6884 <(201)%20748-6884> > tsiegman@wiley.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: singer@apple.com <singer@apple.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 1:26 PM > To: Michael Champion <Michael.Champion@microsoft.com> > Cc: Siegman, Tzviya <tsiegman@wiley.com>; W3C Process CG < > public-w3process@w3.org> > Subject: Re: DRAFT-1 agenda for the Process Call Wednesday 13th Nov 7am PDT > > > > > On Nov 12, 2019, at 17:21 , Michael Champion < > Michael.Champion@microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > I plan to attend. > > > > Note however that we closed the OpenStand Principles issue on the last > call so it should be agenda- > > I can’t find it clicking through the agenda; where did I leave it in? > > > > > I suggest that getting shared sense of a realistic timeline for Process > “2020” is and what its success criteria are is a top priority. I hope we > prioritize fixing problems in the *process itself*, not the *document*. So > long as there is a Director to authoritatively decide on what “substantive” > means or whether comments have been addressed, we can keep doing what we’ve > always done. The Editor should be given leeway to fix editorial issues so > long as they don’t change the process itself. > > > > Get Outlook for iOS > > From: Siegman, Tzviya <tsiegman@wiley.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:50:46 AM > > To: singer@apple.com <singer@apple.com>; W3C Process CG < > public-w3process@w3.org> > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: DRAFT-1 agenda for the Process Call Wednesday > 13th Nov 7am PDT > > > > I will be there for the first 30 minutes > > > > Tzviya Siegman > > Information Standards Lead > > Wiley > > 201-748-6884 <(201)%20748-6884> > > tsiegman@wiley.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: singer@apple.com <singer@apple.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 3:46 AM > > To: W3C Process CG <public-w3process@w3.org> > > Subject: DRAFT-1 agenda for the Process Call Wednesday 13th Nov 7am PDT > > > > I am on vacation, so this agenda may not be completely accurate. I hope > to make the call. > > > > **** If know you can and would make it, or conversely can’t and won’t, > please reply and confirm or regret; we can asses then whether we’ll have a > productive call. Thanks. **** > > > > > > > > > > Webex at < > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.org%2FArchives%2FMember%2Finternal-w3process%2F2019May%2F0000.html&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759177099&sdata=7wNvIVUTgBGJtTVQjfMr85PGmo8ZQXK31MdWLu94TrM%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > IRC is #w3process > > > > Log of prior meeting at < > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2019%2F10%2F23-w3process-minutes.html&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759177099&sdata=4fHmqvGsI3k3P45BQ%2F8it1RIXfm6r1pj9L3%2FXUKa5dE%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > Usual meeting time: SECOND and FOURTH WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH AT 7AM > PACIFIC > > > > > > > > 1) Assign scribe, etc., > > > > 2) Registries and Living Standards. > > > > I think we’re waiting on the outcome of the AB meeting next week. > > > > > > 3) Editorials, and (Other) Pull Requests and Issues tagged Agenda+ > > > > 3.1) Pull Requests: < > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fpulls%3Fq%3Dis%253Aopen%2Bis%253Apr%2Blabel%253AAgenda%252B&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=Y4TnrCAJQvBnQy0Gbk9vHSTRKHkDzq7qXbiy3SPaYYE%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > Make it clear than any decision can be objected to < > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fpull%2F299&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=jyrT5WzJ4HWFytE6DriqJlZv7ivbeOOHNzo%2BYCFF9Vg%3D&reserved=0 > > > > [Registries handled above] > > > > 3.2) Issues: < > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%3Futf8&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=d98sibLh5NRNXFVzOfY9MGQS3JpUks8%2BoRAOs4ArclA%3D&reserved=0=✓&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3AAgenda%2B+ > <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%3Futf8&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=d98sibLh5NRNXFVzOfY9MGQS3JpUks8%2BoRAOs4ArclA%3D&reserved=0=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3AAgenda%2B+> > > > > > > Retitle STATUS Sections to Avoid Double Definitions < > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%2F336&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=wHvvZAPZtLNrlUCVjxsLT%2BRb7bdQpTkF3ESs163FjRI%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > New, need to decide how to proceed: add references to "Open Stand" > principles #325 < > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%2F325&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=jlIaiN6WDKbeIRFrlNOigcGWQBiKsEF0tts6lwBLuJo%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > 4) Review of 2020 milestone; who has the action, where are we going, > what’s next? Do we expect/hope/intend to finish these in P2020 or should we > start slipping them? > > > > 4.1) assigned to someone, please be prepared to give any needed updates > (briefly), or if you are blocked by something, explain what it is so we can > unblock you: > > < > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%3Futf8&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=d98sibLh5NRNXFVzOfY9MGQS3JpUks8%2BoRAOs4ArclA%3D&reserved=0=✓&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+milestone%3A%22Process+2020%22+assignee%3A* > <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%3Futf8&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=d98sibLh5NRNXFVzOfY9MGQS3JpUks8%2BoRAOs4ArclA%3D&reserved=0=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+milestone%3A%22Process+2020%22+assignee%3A*> > > > > > > I think we (still) need to decide what the plan is on: > > > > Substantive changes undefined for Charter and Process reviews < > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%2F28&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=yFkqHe0pQDphpl2uua82BYbWQ3io6remviFH5i38jhY%3D&reserved=0 > > > > Define charter review process to require addressing comments as in CR > transitions < > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%2F182&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=b%2FXBN2FMMQ52zCizbG%2BkzTYvovOznN49T%2FeZiQrgS6A%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > 4.2) unassigned; none. < > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%3Futf8&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=d98sibLh5NRNXFVzOfY9MGQS3JpUks8%2BoRAOs4ArclA%3D&reserved=0=✓&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+milestone%3A%22Process+2020%22+no%3Aassignee+ > <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%3Futf8&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=d98sibLh5NRNXFVzOfY9MGQS3JpUks8%2BoRAOs4ArclA%3D&reserved=0=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+milestone%3A%22Process+2020%22+no%3Aassignee+> > > > > > > 5) new issues and updates. > > > > 5.1) new since prior check: < > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%3Futf8&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=d98sibLh5NRNXFVzOfY9MGQS3JpUks8%2BoRAOs4ArclA%3D&reserved=0=✓&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+created%3A%3E2019-03-13+ > <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%3Futf8&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=d98sibLh5NRNXFVzOfY9MGQS3JpUks8%2BoRAOs4ArclA%3D&reserved=0=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+created%3A%3E2019-03-13+> > > > > There are many; I don’t intend to list them here. > > > > If we reduce to those not either (a) evergreen or (b) director-free, and > not (c) Agenda+, we have 9: > > < > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%3Futf8&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=d98sibLh5NRNXFVzOfY9MGQS3JpUks8%2BoRAOs4ArclA%3D&reserved=0=✓&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+created%3A%3E2019-03-13+-label%3AEvergreen+-label%3AAgenda%2B+-label%3Adirector-free+ > <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%3Futf8&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=d98sibLh5NRNXFVzOfY9MGQS3JpUks8%2BoRAOs4ArclA%3D&reserved=0=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+created%3A%3E2019-03-13+-label%3AEvergreen+-label%3AAgenda%2B+-label%3Adirector-free+> > > > > > > It’s time to triage them. I’d like to draw particular attention to: > > > > Recording of meetings < > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%2F334&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=si4mHY%2FNtaFapjkHYcYUmVKyR7Y3wvkEmYiQyUXphPk%3D&reserved=0 > > > > TAG and AB should be able to formally review charters < > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%2F328&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=mltTOGdgR%2BBZSfkYTEOZ5Rc7DQlM1EVACDxcUqSaH58%3D&reserved=0 > > > > Community and Business Groups < > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%2F326&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=XjYmVIcj0IcdkNl7jWr6zSrYazoFRRNIWUQwH1fbP%2Fg%3D&reserved=0 > > > > Do we need a lighter-weight process for superseding when it's "obvious”? > < > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%2F324&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=VIzVY9Ga%2FyOEjnmntNc00gm8mHJ7u4jsfSN26xm0x70%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > I’d like to encourage people to review them, and tag Agenda+ any that we > could progress, or dispose of. Please? > > > > > > 5.2) updated but not any of: > > Process2020 milestone > > nor Evergreen > > nor director-free > > nor Agenda+ > > not assigned to the AB (Needs AB Feedback) < > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%3Futf8&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=d98sibLh5NRNXFVzOfY9MGQS3JpUks8%2BoRAOs4ArclA%3D&reserved=0=✓&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+updated%3A%3E2019-05-22+-label%3A%22Needs+AB+Feedback%22+-label%3AAgenda%2B+-milestone%3A%22Process+2020%22+-label%3AEvergreen+-label%3Adirector-free+ > <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%3Futf8&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=d98sibLh5NRNXFVzOfY9MGQS3JpUks8%2BoRAOs4ArclA%3D&reserved=0=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+updated%3A%3E2019-05-22+-label%3A%22Needs+AB+Feedback%22+-label%3AAgenda%2B+-milestone%3A%22Process+2020%22+-label%3AEvergreen+-label%3Adirector-free+> > > > > > > I’d like to encourage people to review them, and tag Agenda+ any that we > could progress, or dispose of. Please? > > > > > > 6) If we have time, Assigned, but not on the 2020 milestone > (cherry-pick, if people have updates or questions for us): > > > > < > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%3Futf8&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=d98sibLh5NRNXFVzOfY9MGQS3JpUks8%2BoRAOs4ArclA%3D&reserved=0=✓&q=is%3Aopen+assignee%3A*+-milestone%3A%22Process+2020%22 > <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%3Futf8&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=d98sibLh5NRNXFVzOfY9MGQS3JpUks8%2BoRAOs4ArclA%3D&reserved=0=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aopen+assignee%3A*+-milestone%3A%22Process+2020%22> > > > > > > Some of these date from 2017. Surely time to clean out? > > > > The usual closers: > > > > 7) Next meeting. formally Wed Nov 27th, which is Thanksgiving week and I > will be off. Should we defer? > > > > 8) Any other business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David Singer > > Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc. > > > > > > > > > > > > David Singer > Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc. > >
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