Re: Process CG process question - was RE: Agenda Process Document Task Force Tuesday, 2 June 2015

On 2015-06-01 12:28, Jeff Jaffe wrote:
> I think we have a larger issue than just the scheduling of the 
> meetings.  We have not gotten engagement that all of the changes we 
> are proposing are worth doing.
>
> We just completed a ballot for Process2015.  19 AC Members favored the 
> changes and there were 4 Formal Objections.  Well over 300 AC Members 
> chose not to vote.  There is an AB call in two weeks, and the AB will 
> need to decide how to proceed.  Given the tiny participation and the 
> quantity of objections it is not obvious that there is sufficient 
> consensus to move forward.

Since the formal objections are all on one change that isn't related to 
the other changes, removing that change and reverting to the old text 
would be an option.

The one change that seems most useful, being able to quickly make 
editorial changes apparently was accidentally left out of what was put 
to AC Review - but it looks like the change to the definition of 
editorial changes that was needed to make that other change did make it 
in.  It would be nice if broken links, typos and errors in examples 
could be quickly fixed.

One possibility would be to add that change in that was accidentally 
left out.  remove the change that have the 4 formal objections and 
quickly do another AC review - not another last call - pointing out what 
changed.




>
> To those of us who are active in this activity, we need to work hard 
> to make sure that we are making changes that are valued by the 
> constituency.
>
> Jeff
>
> On 6/1/2015 3:22 PM, Michael Champion (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
>>
>> There has been pretty limited participation on this call for the last 
>> few months, which is at 7am Pacific and late evening in East Asia.  
>> Is it time to consider a more “asynchronous decision making” mode for 
>> this CG?
>>
>> *From:* Stephen Zilles [mailto:szilles@adobe.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 1, 2015 11:55 AM
>> *To:* public-w3process@w3.org
>> *Subject:* Agenda Process Document Task Force Tuesday, 2 June 2015
>>
>> The call is on Tuesday, 2 June, 2015 at 14:00-15:00 UTC 
>> <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=08&day=26&year=2014&hour=14&min=00&sec=0&p1=0>(10:00am-11:00am 
>> Boston local)
>> Zakim Bridge+1.617.761.6200 <tel:+1.617.761.6200>, conference code 
>> 7762 ("PROC")
>> IRC Channel: #w3process
>>
>> For residents of other (typical) time zones the start times were:
>>
>> Pacific:  7:00
>>
>> Eastern US: 10:00
>>
>> Central Europe: 15:00
>>
>> Japan: 23:00
>>
>> The purpose of these meetings has been to agree on the resolution of 
>> open issues, close them where possible or assign actions to move 
>> toward closure.
>>
>> Agenda:
>>
>> 1.Review Open Action Items
>> https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/actions/open
>>
>> 2.Review results of AC Review on Proposed Process 2015
>>
>> 3.Review Open and Raised Issues relevant to Process 2016
>> List of such to be sent in separate message
>>
>> 4.Review other Open and Raised Issues
>> http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/
>>
>> 5.Any Other Business
>>
>> Steve Zilles
>>
>> Chair, Process Document Task Force
>>
>