- From: Coralie Mercier <coralie@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 09:54:54 +0100
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Hi all, The minutes and summary of the 3 February 2014 Chapter 7 Revision Task Force teleconference are at: http://www.w3.org/2014/02/03-w3process-minutes.html No meeting next week 10-Feb (AB teleconference), next meeting likely 17-Feb. Text snapshot: -------------- Revising W3C Process Community Group Teleconference 03 Feb 2014 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Feb/0000.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2014/02/03-w3process-irc Attendees Present Steve Zilles, Mike Champion, Coralie Mercier (scribe), Charles McCathie Nevile Regrets Ralph Swick, Jeff Jaffe Chair Steve Zilles Scribe Coralie Mercier Contents and summary * [4]Topics 1. [5]Complete closure of issues 56-58, 67, 70, 72, 81 o All issues closed subsequent to draft dated 2 February. 2. [6]Discuss Issues 6, 69, 79, 80, 83 and 84 o [7]ISSUE-83: Explicitly allow WGs to customize process steps in their charters -- PENDING REVIEW, will be addressed in the next editor's draft. o [8]ISSUE-84: Reinstate Proposed Recommendation -- PENDING REVIEW, part of issue-77, see below. o [9]ISSUE-6: Producing Recommendations when we know they need to be refined -- POSTPONED, issue is beyond the scope of the current Chapter 7 revisions. o [10]ISSUE-69: Chapter 7: get Wide Review of Chapter 7 from other SDOs -- CLOSED. Independent SDOs do not review their proposed Process changes with other SDOs and the Chapter 7 changes do not reduce Review opportunities. Since our status as a PAS submitter depends on our process, we should get a review by ISO/IEC JTC 1 when we have a complete revised Process Document. o [11]ISSUE-79: Don't require republication after 6 months of no publication -- CLOSED with no change to this document. It is proposed (by the Team) that if the only change to a document is to update its status, indicating why there has been no update in 6 months, then Pubrules would allow that to be done in place without generating a new TR. o [12]ISSUE-80: Publishing Note to end unfinished REC should only be SHOULD -- from RAISED to OPEN. The Task Force noted that the current text in the 2 February editor's draft covered the cases that were actually likely to occur in practice. For example, we have never had the Director tell a WG to stop work on a given piece of work so how this needs to be handled is not very important. o [13]ISSUE-77: Clarify the process of moving from CR to REC -- (includes issue-59, 84 and 76) The Task Force discussion noted: # change "repeat the full process of publication" to "re-issue the publication" and define a process for "re-issue" # Require the approval of the Team Contact to do the re-issue (and that is the only approval required) # Begin a new "Patent Exclusion Period" on the new delta https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/83 https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/84 https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/6 https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/69 https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/79 https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/80 http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/77 * [14]Summary of Action Items __________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 03 February 2014 <koaliie> [15]Previous (2014-01-27) [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Jan/0026.html <koalie> scribe: Coralie <koalie> scribenick: koalie Complete closure of issues 56-58, 67, 70, 72, 81 issue-56? <trackbot> issue-56 -- How are groups outside the W3C, but with dependencies on a specification notified of a pending LCCR? -- closed <trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/56 [16] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/56 SteveZ: I closed 56 ... I closed issues after our last meeting SteveZ: 56-58, 67, are closed chaals: 72, 74, 78 are "pending review" chaals: 83 and 84 are also pending review ... Want me to talk through what I did? SteveZ: Yes. issue 72? issue-72? <trackbot> issue-72 -- Rationalising the definition of different types of change -- pending review <trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/72 [17] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/72 chaals: 72: I moved the section defining changes to the earlier definitions section, as agreed issue-74? <trackbot> issue-74 -- Must specs describe next steps? -- pending review <trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/74 [18] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/74 chaals: 74: Changed the "should document expectations of next steps" to a must ... Current draft's date is 2 February <koaliie> [19]Current draft [19] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/AB/raw-file/default/tr.html chaals: 7.2.5 Classes of Changes SteveZ: I closed issue-74 issue-78? <trackbot> issue-78 -- Requirements for public discussion and wide review of rescindment request are redundant -- pending review <trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/78 [20] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/78 chaals: I removed the redundant requirement Discuss Issues 6, 69, 79, 80, 83 and 84 issue-83? <trackbot> issue-83 -- Explicitly allow WGs to customize process steps in their charters -- pending review <trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/83 [21] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/83 chaals: I wrote email explaining that I would address the part of issue-83 relevant to this chapter in the next editor's draft <koaliie>[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3proce ss/2014Feb/0003.html [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Feb/0003.html SteveZ: We'll leave that one pending. issue-84? <trackbot> issue-84 -- Reinstate Proposed Recommendation -- pending review <trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/84 [23] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/84 chaals: part of issue-77 ... and related to e-mail I sent <koaliie>[24]Clarifying the steps from CR to Rec [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Feb/0002.html SteveZ: OK, we'll leave it pending. <SteveZ> Item: 2. Discuss Issues 6, 69, 79, 80, 83 and 84 SteveZ: suggested ways to resolve outstanding issues ... I'd like to postpone 6 issue-6? <trackbot> issue-6 -- Producing Recommendations when we know they need to be refined -- raised <trackbot> [25]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/6 [25] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/6 chaals: I can live with postponing 6 ... I think we need to deal with it, but maybe not immediately SteveZ: We can bring it up next Monday's phone call chaals: I can live with postponing. SteveZ: OK Mike: I'm not unhappy about it. RESOLUTION: Issue-6: POSTPONED. This topic is beyond the scope of the current Chapter 7 updates and revisions. issue-69? <trackbot> issue-69 -- Chapter 7: get Wide Review of Chapter 7 from other SDOs -- raised <trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/69 [26] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/69 SteveZ: I think it's moot ... my proposed resolution for that was we notify SDOs of the updated Process when we have a full draft chaals: I think we should ensure ISO in particular is aware Mike: Let's run it with the AB SteveZ: Can I close it or do we want "pending review" on this one? Mike: We need to make sure the AB thinks about this SteveZ: Chaals, OK with closing? chaals: Yes, sure. RESOLUTION: issue-69: CLOSE: Independent SDOs do not review their proposed Process changes with other SDOs and the Chapter 7 changes do not reduce Review opportunities. Since our status as a PAS submitter depends on our process, we should get a review by ISO/IEC JTC 1 when we have a complete revised Process Document. issue-79? <trackbot> issue-79 -- Don't require republication after 6 months of no publication -- raised <trackbot> [27]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/79 [27] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/79 SteveZ: The message trail has Ian writing it would be OK to not require republication after 6 months chaals: I would like an Updated status for a document on TR to publishing a document on TR SteveZ: If I accept your definition of publishing, I understand. I'm not sure anybody reading this document would catch on to that. chaals: Propose something? SteveZ: I don't want to overspecify "pubrules" ... if the only change is an update to status section, that can be done in place. chaals: We don't say what publishing or making changes in place means SteveZ: I can live with your interpretation ... Closed. RESOLUTION: issue-79: CLOSED with no change to this document. It is proposed (by the Team) that if the only change to a document is to update its status, indicating why there has been no update in 6 months, then Pubrules would allow that to be done in place without generating a new TR. issue-80? <trackbot> issue-80 -- Publishing Note to end unfinished REC should only be SHOULD -- raised <trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/80 [28] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/80 SteveZ: Must turn work into a note. Chaals said you can't put that on a WG because the likely cause is that the WG disappeared ... I suggested that someone has to declare the work unfinished ... There is nothing in 7.3.2 ... How about we say "The Working Group, or the W3C Team, MUST publish the document as a Working Group Note" with appropriate status? Mike: So after a certain amount of time the MUST must be clear chaals: the WG has a SHOULD, while active Mike: any kind of timeline when the group is active? chaals: Before next transition Mike: So it's a MUST on the Team ... does the current process say anything about it? chaals: I don't think the current process says anything at all about it. Mike: The proposal is to make it a MUST on the Team and a SHOULD on the WG? SteveZ: Yes Mike: OK. SteveZ: "The Working Group SHOULD, or the Team MUST" is my current wording chaals: If the Director wants a WG to stop, he closes the WG and accepts the responsibility of publishing unfinished work on behalf of the team. SteveZ: In the case not covered, I wanted to add "W3C team MUST publish the document as a WG Note" chaals: Someone should, otherwise someone has to. ... If you add "W3C MUST" then you can take out "Working Group SHOULD". But I don't think that is a good idea ... the responsibility is a SHOULD, and we should leave it with the Working Group. SteveZ: My problem is that the way I read Ian's note, he's not complaining about the Team having the responsibility, but the difference between a WG that closes and the Director requiring a WG to discontinue. ... We can leave this for discussion next Monday. chaals: I don't know many cases when the Director has required a WG to stop a particular work item while continuing. I don't think there is a real problem to be solved and don't think the nice symmetry in process is worthwhile for this issue Mike: [yeah] SteveZ: Changing issue-80 from RAISED to OPEN issue-77? <trackbot> issue-77 -- Clarify the process of moving from CR to REC -- open <trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/77 [29] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/77 chaals: issue-77 includes issue-59, 84 and 76 ... I'd like to see feeback on my proposal <koaliie> [30]Clarifying the steps from CR to Rec [30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Feb/0002.html chaals: My recommendation is to require Team approval ... delegated to the Team contact SteveZ: Do we agree that substantive changes require a new patent exclusion period? Mike: It requires wide review certainly chaals: section 7.4 ... the PP isn't clear about what the exclusion opportunity covers ... We should let it sit and request some sense from the PSIG - not because it would change what we will do here since it makes no real difference to what goes in the process here, but because clarity would be helpful ... It would certainly most always trigger a new exclusion opportunity <scribe> scribenick: SteveZ SteveZ: Changes are: ... 1. change "repeat the full process of publication" to "re-issue the publication" and define a process for "re-issue" ... 2. Require the approval of the Team Contact to do the re-issue (and that is the only approval required) ... 3. Begin a new "Patent Exclusion Period" on the new delta <koalie> scribenick: koalie chaals: I think we require the Director's approval but this is largely delegated ... Requiring the Team contact approval, a) it doesn't happen anywhere else SteveZ: I'm fine with that chaals: We should not prescribe a new patent exclusion period, but provide a pointer to the Patent Document and note that an exclusion may arise as a result of new publication SteveZ: We're overtime. ... Out of politeness, we should do a disposition of comment document ... Those are best done in Text files in the CSS WG chaals: Issue tracker tracks the comments SteveZ: ... notifying those who raised issues to see if they accept the resolution <chaals> koalie++ #scribing a rambling conversation like this on dodgy connections Summary of Action Items [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [31]scribe.perl version 1.138 ([32]CVS log) $Date: 2014-02-04 08:51:09 $ [31] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [32] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ -- Coralie Mercier - W3C Communications Team - http://www.w3.org mailto:coralie@w3.org +336 4322 0001 http://www.w3.org/People/CMercier/
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