[minutes] and summary of 27 January 2014 Revising W3C Process Community Group Teleconference

The minutes and summary of today's Revising W3C Process Community Group  
Teleconference are at:
   http://www.w3.org/2014/01/27-w3process-minutes.html

Next meeting: Monday 3-Feb.

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           Revising W3C Process Community Group Teleconference
                               27 Jan 2014

    [2]Agenda
       [2]  
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Jan/0025.html
    See also: [3]IRC log
       [3] http://www.w3.org/2014/01/27-w3process-irc

Attendees
    Present
           Coralie Mercier (scribe), Steve Zilles, Mike Champion,
           Ralph Swick, Charles McCathie Nevile
    Regrets
    Chair
           Steve Zilles
    Scribe
           Coralie Mercier

Contents and summary

      * [4]Topics

          1. [5]Complete closure of issues 56-58, 67, 70, 72, 81

                o The task force closed all resolved issues and set
                  issue-72 as pending review since chaals took the
                  action to move changes section earlier in
                  document.

          2. [6]Discuss Issues 69, 74, 75, 79, 80, 83 and 84

                o [7]issue-75 -- How and to whom are transitions
                  announced?
                  Resolution: The TF believes that it is important
                  to announce new work to both the other W3C Groups
                  and the Public. The mechanisms used for
                  announcement are left up to the Team to determine
                  and should reflect current usage of announcement
                  mechanisms.

                o [8]issue-74 -- Must specs describe next steps?
                  Resolution: The TF resolved to change SHOULD to
                  MUST. Chaals took an action to make the setting
                  of expectations / next step in documents a must.

                o [9]issue-78 -- Requirements for public discussion
                  and wide review of rescindment request are
                  redundant
                  Resolution: The TF agreed that there is a
                  redundant step and resolved to drop the Should
                  bullet in 7.8.

                o [10]issue-83 -- Explicitly allow WGs to customize
                  process steps in their charters
                  Resolution: Charters are not the topic of Chapter
                  7. The TF agreed that an informative note can be
                  added that a Group should only be able to add to
                  this Process, not drop steps listed here.

                o [11]issue-84 -- Reinstate Proposed Recommendation
                  Resolution: The TF resolved to reinstate a
                  Proposed Recommendation step that says that 4
                  weeks remain in the AC Review period and has no
                  other consequences.

          3. [12]Preparation of a Final Process Document for AC
             Review

                o The editor will check references and dependencies
                  before presenting a completed proposal for review
                  at the March Advisory Board face-to-face meeting.

          4. [13]Next meeting

                o Monday 3-Feb.


           [7] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/75
           [8] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/74
           [9] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/78
          [10] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/83
          [11] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/84

      * [14]Summary of Action Items
      __________________________________________________________

    <trackbot> Date: 27 January 2014

    <koaliie> [15]Minutes and summary of previous (2014-01-13)

      [15]  
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Jan/0009.html

    <scribe> scribe: Coralie

    <scribe> scribenick: koalie

Complete closure of issues 56-58, 67, 70, 72, 81

    SteveZ: issues 56-58 may have been implemented in the Jan. 21
    draft
    ... I closed those

    issue-67?

    <trackbot> issue-67 -- Rather than change LC and CR, it seems
    like it would be more effective to attack the cycle problem via
    Education and Outreach -- closed

    <trackbot>
    [16]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/67

      [16] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/67

    SteveZ: I closed it and we opened issue-83 instead

    issue-83

    <trackbot> issue-83 -- Explicitly allow WGs to customize
    process steps in their charters -- open

    <trackbot>
    [17]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/83

      [17] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/83

    SteveZ: It was Jeff's request to close it with opening another
    ... Thanks Mike for the suggestion

    issue-70?

    <trackbot> issue-70 -- Usage of "normative" needs clarification
    -- pending review

    <trackbot>
    [18]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/70

      [18] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/70

    SteveZ: This as been implemented as far as I can tell

    Chaals: Yes, I implemented this quite a while ago

    SteveZ: I'll close issue-70

    issue-70: chaals: I implemented this quite a while ago

    <trackbot> Notes added to issue-70 Usage of "normative" needs
    clarification.

    issue-72?

    <trackbot> issue-72 -- Rationalising the definition of
    different types of change -- pending review

    <trackbot>
    [19]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/72

      [19] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/72

    SteveZ: You did implement that. The one suggestion that came up
    was that you move the combined thing up to 7.2 section where
    the other definitions are
    ... so people get to see it early
    ... and reference it back in 7.8

    <chaals> ACTION: chaals to move changes section earlier in
    document [recorded in
    [20]http://www.w3.org/2014/01/27-w3process-minutes.html#action0
    1]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-27 - Move changes section earlier in
    document [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2014-02-03].

    issue-72: suggestion to move the combined thing up to 7.2 where
    other definitions are and reference it back in 7.8

    <trackbot> Notes added to issue-72 Rationalising the definition
    of different types of change.

    SteveZ: I left issue-72 as "pending" because of action-27

    issue-81

    <trackbot> issue-81 -- Opening of AC review -- pending review

    <trackbot>
    [21]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/81

      [21] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/81

    SteveZ: I noted you implemented that one too
    ... Closing that one too

    issue-81: chaals implemented it too

    <trackbot> Notes added to issue-81 Opening of AC review.

    chaals: issue-59 has been implemented except "end game" split
    as issue-57

    SteveZ: Did we really resolve issue-57?

    issue-57

    <trackbot> issue-57 -- Avoid using the term "publishing" for
    Editor's Drafts -- closed

    <trackbot>
    [22]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/57

      [22] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/57

    chaals: Yes

    SteveZ: Found it in 7.2.1
    ... closing that one ...

    issue-47

    <trackbot> issue-47 -- What kind of changes can be "silently"
    made to a document in /TR -- pending review

    <trackbot>
    [23]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/47

      [23] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/47

    SteveZ: Didn't we reject it?

    chaals: We haven't made significant changes
    ... we agreed on the conditions under which we could make the
    changes

    SteveZ: other than clarifying the definition of change and
    substantive changes, no other correction were made

    issue-47: We rejected it, after agreeing on the conditions
    under which we could make the changes. Other than clarifying
    the definition of change and substantive changes, no other
    correction were made

    <trackbot> Notes added to issue-47 What kind of changes can be
    "silently" made to a document in /TR.

Discuss Issues 69, 74, 75, 79, 80, 83 and 84

    SteveZ: 61 to 67 open for now

    issue-75

    <trackbot> issue-75 -- How and to whom are transitions
    announced? -- pending review

    <trackbot>
    [24]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/75

      [24] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/75

    SteveZ: it's on my list for discussion.
    ... Chaals you said you felt calling out WGs
    ... Do these announcements go to chairs?

    chaals: No
    ... practice should change to follow the process

    [25]http://services.w3.org/xslt?xmlfile=http://www.w3.org/2005/
    08/01-transitions.html&xslfile=http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transi
    tions.xsl&docstatus=fpwd-wd-tr

      [25]  
http://services.w3.org/xslt?xmlfile=http://www.w3.org/2005/08/01-transitions.html&xslfile=http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transitions.xsl&docstatus=fpwd-wd-tr

    [[In order to facilitate peer review, once the document has
    been published, the Chair sends a transition announcement to
    chairs@w3.org and the group's public mailing list. ]]

    chaals: My proposal is to enforce the requirement better if we
    are not doing it, and not change the process
    ... the point is to enforce it

    Mike: my counter suggestion is, what problem are we trying to
    solve
    ... and how to specify the announcement, or leave unspecified
    and leave it to the group to do the right thing
    ... sending a message to a mailing list is not necessariy the
    right thing

    SteveZ: it just says "announce"

    Mike: Leaving it to the discretion of the chair

    SteveZ: The process says the Director announces to other W3C
    groups and to the public.

    Mike: We should encourage the Director collectively to not just
    put it on the W3C homepage
    ... there are relatively few of us who follow the W3C homepage
    ... I agree with chaals, the team needs to figure out how to
    make sure the proper audience gets notified

    SteveZ: I added to tracker " mechanisms are left to the Team
    and should be the current mechanisms"
    ... We're closing that one

    RESOLUTION: issue-75: The TF believes that it is important to
    announce new work to both the other W3C Groups and the Public.
    The mechanisms used for announcement are left up to the Team to
    determine and should reflect current usage of announcement
    mechanisms.

    issue-47?

    <trackbot> issue-47 -- What kind of changes can be "silently"
    made to a document in /TR -- pending review

    <trackbot>
    [26]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/47

      [26] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/47

    SteveZ: I forgot to close it... [closing]
    ... all pending review are dealt with
    ... that takes us to open issues

    <Ralph> issue-74?

    <trackbot> issue-74 -- Must specs describe next steps? -- open

    <trackbot>
    [27]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/74

      [27] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/74

    chaals: My suggestion is to use a MUST

    SteveZ: Any objection?
    ... Resolved

    <chaals> ACTION: chaals to make the setting of expectations /
    next step in documents a must (ISSUE-74) [recorded in
    [28]http://www.w3.org/2014/01/27-w3process-minutes.html#action0
    2]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-28 - Make the setting of expectations
    / next step in documents a must (issue-74) [on Charles McCathie
    Nevile - due 2014-02-03].

    RESOLUTION: issue-74: change SHOULD to MUST

    issue-52

    <trackbot> issue-52 -- How is satisfying “widely reviewed”
    encouraged/ensured? -- open

    <trackbot>
    [29]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/52

      [29] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/52

    SteveZ: You still have work to do on that one?

    chaals: I don't see action related to issue-52

    SteveZ: ... oh that's issue-77

    chaals: Do we introduce some formal change? do we adopt Mike's
    proposal of issue-83? do we decide that beyond addressing 83
    we're not going to do anything more to the document. How to get
    review is up to the WG and that they did demonstrate at
    transition

    SteveZ: I'm willing to close this one in favour of issue-83

    chaals: Makes sense to me

    issue-52: closing in favour of issue-83

    <trackbot> Notes added to issue-52 How is satisfying “widely
    reviewed” encouraged/ensured?.

    SteveZ: So we closed issue-52

    issue-76

    <trackbot> issue-76 -- Requirement to document changes between
    CR publications -- open

    <trackbot>
    [30]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/76

      [30] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/76

    chaals: I'd suggest that next we do this it be an action under
    issue-77

    issue-76: tied to issue-77

    <trackbot> Notes added to issue-76 Requirement to document
    changes between CR publications.

    issue-78

    <trackbot> issue-78 -- Requirements for public discussion and
    wide review of rescindment request are redundant -- open

    <trackbot>
    [31]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/78

      [31] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/78

    chaals: Ian wants to simplify the requirements for rescinding
    recommendation
    ... he says there's a redundant step
    ... if you clarify that WG makes request and the Director
    decides
    ... I agree with the issue
    ... it takes a bit of shuffling of the text on rescinding
    recommendation
    ... basically there's a statement that you can rescind on
    public comment
    ... Ian's proposal is: The request may come from the WG and the
    Director is to decide.

    SteveZ: There may be no WG to rescind. In fact it's likely.

    chaals: In the case where a request comes from a WG the
    Director is likely to ask where the public comment is.

    SteveZ: I agree
    ... You want to get rid of the "should" bullet?

    chaals: Yes

    SteveZ: Mike, Ralph?

    [no comment]

    RESOLUTION: issue-78 Drop the Should bullet in 7.8

    issue-83

    <trackbot> issue-83 -- Explicitly allow WGs to customize
    process steps in their charters -- open

    <trackbot>
    [32]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/83

      [32] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/83

    chaals: Charters are not the topic of Chapter 7.
    ... I propose we add an informative note: Groups are welcome to
    create their own additional procedures. A status of information
    is available
    ... and I suggest we move the rest of that issue

    <chaals> ACTION: chaals to put an informative note in saying
    specific work items may have added custom process (ISSUE-83)
    [recorded in
    [33]http://www.w3.org/2014/01/27-w3process-minutes.html#action0
    3]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-29 - Put an informative note in
    saying specific work items may have added custom process
    (issue-83) [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2014-02-03].

    <Ralph> [a Group should only be able to add to this Process,
    not drop steps listed here]

    SteveZ: My preferred reason for sticking it in the charter is
    because of charter review
    ... issue-83 goes from open to pending review

    issue-84

    <trackbot> issue-84 -- Reinstate Proposed Recommendation --
    open

    <trackbot>
    [34]http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/84

      [34] http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/84

    chaals: This is a blocker for issue-77, my proposal is to
    reinstate Proposed Recommendation

    SteveZ: doesn't trigger patent review, or anything?

    chaals: It triggers a stop clock

    SteveZ: another comment. An entry requirement is that the final
    patent exclusion period has ended

    chaals: the clock is there, the should requirement is there to
    ensure you know what you're doing

    SteveZ: I'm ok with a should.

    RESOLUTION: issue-84: reinstate proposed recommendation that
    says that 4 weeks remain in the AC Review period and has no
    other consequences.

    SteveZ: issue-84 is now pending review

Preparation of a Final Process Document for AC Review

    SteveZ: We should be thinking about how to get to a full
    document for review at the March AB f2f
    ... chaals said issue-77 will require a lot of work
    ... I'm going to be incommunicado most of February

    chaals: I don't see any complication at all in checking
    references and dependencies

Next meeting

    SteveZ: Next meeting next Monday 3-Feb

    chaals: Would it be annoying to hold that meeting one hour
    later?
    ... nevermind, I can do it at this time

    SteveZ: Thanks everyone
    ... adjourned.

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: chaals to make the setting of expectations / next
    step in documents a must (ISSUE-74) [recorded in
    [35]http://www.w3.org/2014/01/27-w3process-minutes.html#action0
    2]
    [NEW] ACTION: chaals to move changes section earlier in
    document [recorded in
    [36]http://www.w3.org/2014/01/27-w3process-minutes.html#action0
    1]
    [NEW] ACTION: chaals to put an informative note in saying
    specific work items may have added custom process (ISSUE-83)
    [recorded in
    [37]http://www.w3.org/2014/01/27-w3process-minutes.html#action0
    3]

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