- From: Charles McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>
- Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 14:17:25 +1000
- To: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>, "Arthur Barstow" <art.barstow@nokia.com>
- Cc: "W3C Process Community Group" <public-w3process@w3.org>
On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:47:37 +0700, Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>
wrote:
> On 11/25/13 11:45 PM, ext fantasai wrote:
>> Current outline:
>> # General requirements for Technical Reports
>> # 7.1 Maturity Levels
>> # 7.2 General Requirements for Advancement on the Recommendation Track
>> # 7.2.1 Substantive Change
>> # 7.2.2 Wide Review
>> # 7.2.3 Implementation Experience
>> # 7.3 Reviews and Review Responsibilities
>> # 7.4 Advancing a Technical Report to Recommendation
>> # 7.4.1 Working Draft
>> # 7.4.1.a First Public Working Draft
>> # 7.4.1.b Revised Public Working Drafts
>> # 7.4.2 Last Call Candidate Recommendation
>> # 7.4.3 Publication of a W3C Recommendation
>> # 7.4.3.a Publishing a Last Call Candidate Recommendation
>> # as a W3C Recommendation
>> # 7.4.3.b Publishing an Edited Recommendation
>> # 7.4.3.c For all W3C Recommendations
>> # 7.5 Publishing a Working Group or Interest Group Note
>> # 7.6 Modifying a W3C Recommendation
>> # 7.6.1 Errata Management
>> # 7.6.2 Classes of Changes to a Recommendation
>> # 7.7 Rescinding a W3C Recommendation
>> # Good practices
>>
>> Proposed Outline:
>> | General Publication Requirements
>> | Technical Report Types
>> | Notes vs. Recommendations
>> | Maturity Levels
>> | Review Responsibilities
>> | Wide Review
>> | Implementation Experience
>> | Classes of Changes / Substantive Changes [merge]
I agree with cleaning up the stuff on changes. I already had one go at it
- although you can't read all the discussions since many of them happened
when this was still being done "in the dark" you can see what I did in
earlier editor's drafts.
But these three sections are really definitions of key terms. The stuff
about review responsibilities could do with a deep editorial sweep.
And yes, the reordering of these bits makes sense. I have so far generally
tried to be conservative about changing the order, except where it came
from combining two sections that were separate.
>> | General Transition Requirements
>> | Recommendation Track
>> | Working Draft
>> | First Public Working Draft
>> | Revising Working Drafts
>> | Candidate Recommendation
>> | Transitioning to Candidate Recommendation
>> | Revising Candidate Recommendations
>> | Recommendation
>> | Transitioning to Recommendation
>> | Revising Recommendations
>> | Note Track
>> | Working Draft [refer to section above for steps; here for
>> parallelism]
>> | Group Note
If you describe the difference between Recommendations and Notes above
(which I think is reasonable) I don't think you need to make a whole "Note
Track" section. Stuff can (and in some cases should) be moved to Notes at
any time, or it can be planned as a note from the beginning - e.g. IG
Notes because IGs are not chartered to produce Recs.
So I think the key stuff is what is needed to make a Note, when something
should be one instead of a Rec, and when something can go from Note back
into the Rec Track.
>> | Ending Work on a Technical Report
>> | Abandoning a Technical Report
>> | Rescinding a Recommendation
>> | Further Reading
>>
>> What am I doing here?
>> * shor section titles; some of them are awkwardly long
>> * Defining Note vs. Recommendation up front before we start talking
>> about how to get there, so you know what you're trying to get *to*
>> while you're reading how to get there.
>> * Putting together all review requirements. Note that implementation
>> experience is a type of review, as far as we're concerned here.
>> * Combining Classes of Changes to a Recommendation with Substantive
>> Changes, because they're both trying to describe the same thing,
>> except the former has a finer breakdown.
Agree with all the above.
>> * Creating parallel tracks for Note and Rec in the document structure
As explained, I'm not sure that's a goal, since the tracks are in practice
interwoven.
>> * Making keeping a Recommendation up-to-date a core part of the
>> process, which it should be. Similarly added a section on revising
>> a CR to parallel revising WDs and RECs.
Yep, makes sense.
>> Comments on the proposal or its intentions welcome.
>
> I support this change and consider it a blocker.
Do you mean you wouldn't support any attempt to adopt current proposal
without this change, or without some change along these lines?
> To help with the tracking, I created the following issue:
>
> <https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/59>
Thanks.
>> If people think
>> this is a worthwhile endeavor, I will start to put together exact
>> changes. I think this gives a better structure to support other
>> editorial improvements to the document.
>
> Given you willingness to help, I nominate you to the Editor team, not
> only because you are willing to help but I think it's important this
> document be positioned as not just an AB effort.
(The process is the responsibility of the AB. I believe it is
inappropriate for you to tell the AB how to organise its work. On the
other hand, I'd welcome Elika, or anyone else who does real work, as a
co-editor.)
> I also think this doc should be moved to GitHub to encourage and
> facilitate the evolution of these processes by people beyond the
> Consortium. I created the following issue to track this:
>
> <https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/60>
As noted in reply to that issue, I think that's actually a bad idea.
> -Thanks, AB
>
>
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