- From: Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com>
- Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:47:11 +0100
- To: "Jeff Jaffe" <jeff@w3.org>
- Cc: public-w3process@w3.org, "Giuseppe Pascale" <giuseppep@opera.com>, "ab@w3.org" <ab@w3.org>, "Stephen Zilles" <szilles@adobe.com>
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:42:17 +0100, Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org> wrote:
> [adding AB]
>
> Steve, this seems like a sufficiently important question that we want to
> somehow fast-track it into the AB issues list and concerns - maybe even
> get it into the current poll.
I don't control the poll, but I am likely to cherry-pick stuff from this
list into the AB issue tracker anyway.
> Giuseppe, are you aware of the current AB activity? I'm curious that
> this went to the public-w3process list (which I thought was the CG), and
> not to the AB. I thought we had brought the Chairs into the AB
> discussion.
Yes, we did. But public-w3process is the CG, which has a different
audience (you don't have to be a chair or even a W3C member to
participate).
cheers
Chaals
> Jeff
>
>
> On 3/19/2012 8:30 AM, Charles McCathieNevile wrote:
>> Thanks for the question, I created ISSUE-5
>> https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/5 ...
>>
>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:21:45 +0100, Giuseppe Pascale
>> <giuseppep@opera.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Personally I would prefer option 3 below (with option 1 when
>>> applicable)
>>
>> [point to a "latest draft" reference].
>>
>>> The reason is simple: specs tend to be around for a long time and the
>>> references inside may not be updated after the initial work. If this
>>> happens, we end up with some deployments stuck on old versions of a
>>> given spec.
>>
>> I proposed in the HTML group that there should be a "latest version"
>> URI that actually provides a escription of the different kinds of
>> latest version available, from "the editor's sunday-morning mistakes
>> included" to "the last formally stabilised version from years ago,
>> known to be full of errors which are also known", and several things in
>> between.
>>
>>> To mitigate the "moving target" concern I was proposing one of the
>>> following options (non mutually exclusive):
>>
>> For reference guidance (following the principle that deep linking is
>> legitimate, we shouldn't try to limit what people *can* do), I think we
>> should provide something like the same document I describe above, with
>> a recommendation that some baseline is considered for the sake of
>> stability, but with a clear statement that since a later draft may have
>> resolved real problems, the specification of any given feature in the
>> latest draft should also be referenced.
>>
>> Of course there are cases where referencing just some latest draft is
>> enough, and others that will really really only want some old and
>> known-to-be-inferior version for real stability...
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Chaals
>>
>>> A. mandate support for at least the version available in date X (but
>>> not prevent people to move to a newer spec if available). X could be
>>> the date of publication of the spec that contains the reference.
>>> B. make a generic reference to the specs but "name" the features to
>>> support. e.g. you could say "support the canvas element as specified
>>> in [HTML5]"
>>>
>>> /g
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:17:42 +0100, Giuseppe Pascale
>>> <giuseppep@opera.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear W3C Process Community Group chairs and participants,
>>>>
>>>> we (=Web&TV IG chairs and staff contacts) got a liaison letter
>>>> (attached)
>>>> from the Open IPTV Forum asking about how they should handle
>>>> references to
>>>> W3C specifications that are not yet Recommendations.
>>>> The liaison letter lists a set of options (with pro/cons) and ask the
>>>> W3C
>>>> for advice on how to move forward and how this issue has been
>>>> addressed in
>>>> other cases.
>>>>
>>>> The Web and TV IG held a telco [2] and had some initial discussion on
>>>> possible options.
>>>> There was no consensus on how to deal with the issue but the following
>>>> options (non mutually exclusive) were mentioned:
>>>>
>>>> 1. For all specs referenced by HTML5, indirectly reference them
>>>> through
>>>> html5 specification (to avoid inconsistencies in references and
>>>> reduce the
>>>> number of open ended references)
>>>> 2. Reference dated snapshots
>>>> 3. Reference a generic undated TF version (e.g. as done by EPUB)
>>>>
>>>> (note: the letter also list other options)
>>>>
>>>> In general, the IG participants felt that was important for the W3C
>>>> to be
>>>> looking into this problem (that is common to many organizations) and
>>>> formulate some policy/best practices.
>>>> That is why I'm fwd this to you.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any recommendations on this topic or do you think having a
>>>> general policy on this will be in scope of your CG?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> /g on behalf of the web&tv IG chairs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1] www.oipf.tv
>>>> [2] http://www.w3.org/2012/03/12-webtv-minutes.html
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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