Re: Sports Vocabulary Proposal

In the book world, FWIW, we have the concept of ³contributors² who indeed
can assume multiple ³roles". Expressed in RDBMS, it amounted to appending
a new row to a table where the personıs name is repeated, and their
additional role. (And so on, if the person has more than two roles.) So
for the book Green Eggs and Ham, Dr. Seuss is listed twice - once as the
author and once as the illustrator. Different websites consume/use/display
this data in different ways, but I bet on more than one occasion you have
seen someoneıs name listed twice on a book listing page, because theyıve
had more than one role in creating that book and that website is importing
the data without refining it.

Expressed semantically, I am not sure quite how you would go about it
because I am not fluent (yet). But the concept of relating one person to
many roles is one that media industries (music, video, games, books) have
grappled with for quite some time.

At ISNI, we have an ever-growing list of roles a contributor can play -
and a contributor is very loosely defined; s/he can be anyone who adds
value to content on the web. So the football/soccer (Iım neutral) player
Cristiano Ronaldo, though he has not created any content himself, has had
a great deal of content created about him, so his ISNI URI is (Youıll see at the bottom a link to
his Wikipedia page - it is a reciprocal link.)

More relevant to your baseball example, Derek Jeter obviously has one ISNI
and multiple roles - batter and shortstop - with statistics linked to each

Donıt know if that is helpful, but I sympathize with the problem.

On 2/6/14, 5:59 PM, "Gregg Kellogg" <> wrote:

>On Feb 6, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Jason Johnson (BING) <>
>> The partners, in collaboration with experts from the BBC and
>>IPTC/SportsML, are pleased to share a proposal for improving the
>> sports vocabulary.  The proposal includes support for
>>describing sports organizations, athletes, and events, with a focus on
>>the most common sports types being published on the Web today. Although
>>the proposal includes support for describing sports statistics within
>>these domains, the initial set of properties are limited to those which
>>are broadly applicable.  More detailed, sport-specific statistics will
>>be the subject of future additions to the base statistic classes.
>> The sports vocabulary proposal is available as an exported
>>PDF in the W3C Web Schemas - Sports wiki and a machine readable version
>>of the schema will be posted soon.  We encourage the web community to
>>review and provide feedback via the wiki, this mailing list, or by
>>joining the sports vocabulary discussion group.
>> See Also: 
>I'm really happy to see progress in this area, as I've been working on
>something similar myself.
>Getting into some specifics:
>OrderedEvent seems like it's instituting a patter that could also be
>useful in other contexts. Perhaps something which leverages
>schema:ItemList, such as an OrderedItemList; this could use techniques
>from the Ordered List Ontology [1]. One advantage of such a vocabulary is
>to not require traversing the list through first/previous links, as they
>can be directly indexed. This is also much friendlier for doing SPARQL
>queries. However, this would add a layer of indirection. Did the group
>consider this type of model? Alternatively, makeing something like a
>schema:eventList property, which specifically takes a sub-class of
>rdf:List that restricts the range of rdf:first to be a schema:Event would
>work well with existing list representations (e.g., JSON-LD and RDFa),
>without requiring more "semantic overhead".
>Regarding sub-types of SportsTeam, this may be an example where some
>enumeration is more valuable. In my modeling, I defined a
>"sportsDiscipline" property with the range of SportsDiscipline. This can
>then allow any number of disciplines to be defined as instances and
>relate them, e.g., to DBpedia/Freebase URIs. For example
>:sfgiants a schema:SportsTeam
>  schema:name "San Francisco Giants";
>  schema:sportsDiscipline :MajorLeagueBaseball .
>:MajorLeagueBaseball a schema:SportsDiscipline
>  schema:sameAs <>,
><> .
>Otherwise, trying to enumerate every possible type of sport as a distinct
>sub-class becomes futile. A sportsDiscipline can also be useful in
>describing player skills.
>The teamSpecificRoles also seem a bit narrow, and people may play
>multiple roles. Roles might better be modeled with something like a
>"Contribution" class; we discussed this for the TV and Radio updates,
>although nothing much came about from it. A person may contribute to a
>sports team using multiple roles. This also allows modeling finer grained
>sports activities such as a season, series, game, period, or individual
>play. The roles can then be defined using an enumeration class similarly
>to sports disciplines. Per-sport role properties are simpler, but also
>suffer from the cost of adding them specifically to the vocabulary rather
>than allowing the use of external enumerations.
>More team hierarchies: Defining something like SportsAssociation, League,
>and Division allows many team sports to be contained within an
>organizational hierarchy consistent with many amateur and professional
>sports, and allows more interesting information to be described for those
>various organizations.
>Other things to model in sports.
>The concept of a sports team really is something that refers to some
>instance of the organization. For example, the 1957 Giants and 2013
>Giants are really two different teams. We defined a "Season" class for
>this, so that a SportsTeam has many seasons, and players are associated
>with given seasons. A Season is modeled as a sub-class of SportsEvent, as
>it has a beginning and end, but there may be some other kind of event
>which is more appropriate. Similarly, a Season can have series which have
>games, or may simply have games. A game is divided into periods and
>plays. Below this level, a PlayAction becomes more useful than an event,
>to describe some particular play (such as at-bat, down, or individual
>I'd certainly like to know if you considered modeling at such detail, and
>how this meshes with your own thoughts.
>> Cheers,
>> Jason Johnson
>> Microsoft

Received on Thursday, 6 February 2014 23:39:01 UTC