- From: Guha <guha@google.com>
- Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:19:18 -0800
- To: "Barker, Phil A" <Phil.Barker@hw.ac.uk>, W3C Vocabularies <public-vocabs@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAPAGhv9rpE3pyzCRotH9SMh8ED2xE50ipog+gwC3gTEv1xFwZg@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Guha <guha@google.com> wrote: > > See comments inline > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:19 AM, Barker, Phil A <Phil.Barker@hw.ac.uk> > wrote: >> >> >> Vicki, thanks for the heads up, I would have missed this otherwise. >> >> I have added some comments to the Google Doc, the most significant are: >> >> 1. Courses can comprise Courses. This is especially important at >> Universities that recruit into and award certificates for programmes >> (Courses) that are built from modules (Courses). >> > > I think a programme is different from a course. > > >> >> 2. I don't think there is much to be gained from having a separate class >> on OnlineCourse rather than a property of a Course to flag whether it is >> online or not. I think the properties you have for OnlineCourse also apply >> to regular courses. Most regular courses have an online component. >> >> Something like an edX course is very different from a high school course > where the student shows up in class. The former has a number of properties > that don't make sense for the latter. So, it needs to be a class. > > >> 3. I think it would be better to model an instance of a Course as a >> collection of EducationalEvents and CreativeWorks. >> >> Not sure I understand. > > >> 4. Language is difficult. The different usage between UK and US English >> is one thing, but more importantly commonly used terms often relate to >> specific education systems or pedagogies. So phrases like "instructors >> deliver lessons to students" implies a particular pedagogy. Also this means >> that common terms become ambiguous and open to misinterpretation in >> international use, e.g. class, course, programme, module. This is important >> in schema.org where definitions tend to be minimalist. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> As a general question, do you have some usecases in mind and target >> example websites? It's difficult to assess whether these properties are >> sufficient and realistic without those. >> >> Yes. There is request to be able to describe the offerings of edX, et. > al. with schema.org properties > > >> Phil >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Vicki Tardif Holland [vtardif@google.com] >> *Sent:* 15 December 2014 18:40 >> *To:* Wes Turner >> *Cc:* GUANGYUAN PIAO; Thad Guidry; Aaron Bradley; Public Vocabs >> *Subject:* Re: [Proposal] schema:OnlineCourse >> >> (I commented on GitHub, but I am not sure if everyone is over there, >> so I am duplicating the message here.) >> >> I have read through all of the comments and background links and >> attempted to pull the various ideas into a cohesive whole. My thoughts are >> still rather preliminary, but can be found at >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/12YWjLzZC8FiTiOwSAETRIEozeqZdn6O8a4fgqK4t5Ss/edit?usp=sharing >> >> It would be nice to be able to support in-person classes (academic or >> not) and MOOCs. >> >> Please comment here or on GitHub. >> >> - Vicki >> >> >> Vicki Tardif Holland | Ontologist | vtardif@google.com >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I've created a GitHub issue ticket for this Proposal: >>> >>> https://github.com/rvguha/schemaorg/issues/195 >>> >>> cc'ing a comment here, because DRY: >>> >>> What is missing or could be added? >>>> From >>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2014Feb/0127.html : >>>> >>>>> Properties: >>>>> >>>>> - derivedFrom/previousIncantation property could also be helpful. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - prerequisitve/buildsUpon/suggestedPrerequisite properties would >>>>> be great. >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> Types for these properties would need to be <Course>. >>> >>> ... This would then form a graph of Courses and/or OnlineCourses. >>> >>> >>> It may be most helpful to transition discussion to a task-focused >>> GitHub issue. >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> In creating said ticket [openbadges/openbadges-specifiation/9], I'm >>>> having trouble linking to the entirety of a mailing list thread (who know). >>>> >>>> Is there / should there be an issue for OnlineCourse here: >>>> https://github.com/rvguha/schemaorg/issues ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've opened a ticket with the OpenBadges specification project: >>>>> https://github.com/openbadges/openbadges-specification/issues/9 >>>>> >>>>> > How could/should we reference badges offered by a >>>>> schema.org/OnlineCourse ? >>>>> >>>>> > We could point to just URIs, but then we'd need to lookup badge >>>>> titles. >>>>> >>>>> > Would it be feasible to create schema.org/Badge ? >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 3:11 PM, GUANGYUAN PIAO <parklize@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Is it worth adding a "prerequisiteCourse" property to list the >>>>>>> prerequisites for the given course? >>>>>>> - IMO, "prerequisiteCourse" or "requirements" for the Course >>>>>>> could provide rich snippets for users to know if it >>>>>>> is appropriate for him/her. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Where can I add topical links to wikipedia (dbpedia [1])? e.g. This >>>>>> course is about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data and >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] http://lod-cloud.net/ >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Can we change "isCertificateAvailable" from a boolean to >>>>>>> something with a little more data? Maybe the type of certificate granted or >>>>>>> the institution granting the certificate? >>>>>>> - +1, and then it will need Certificate type and additional >>>>>>> properties to think about. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> http://openbadges.org/ are gaining momentum. [2] >>>>>> >>>>>> Would "credential" be a more generic predicate? >>>>>> >>>>>> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Open_Badges >>>>>> [3] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Badges >>>>>> [4] https://github.com/mozilla/openbadges#mozilla-open-badges >>>>>> [5] >>>>>> https://github.com/openbadges/openbadges-specification/blob/master/Assertion/latest.md >>>>>> (JSON Web Signatures) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Wes Turner >>>>>> https://westurner.github.io/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Wes Turner >>>>> https://westurner.github.io/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Wes Turner >>>> https://westurner.github.io/ >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> We invite research leaders and ambitious early career researchers to >> join us in leading and driving research in key inter-disciplinary themes. >> Please see www.hw.ac.uk/researchleaders for further information and how >> to apply. >> >> Heriot-Watt University is a Scottish charity registered under charity >> number SC000278. >> >
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