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RE: how to go about creating a new vocab?

From: Marian, Radu <radu.marian@baml.com>
Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 19:35:38 +0000
To: Diane Hillmann <metadata.maven@gmail.com>
Cc: "LeVan,Ralph" <levan@oclc.org>, Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com>, "public-vocabs@w3.org" <public-vocabs@w3.org>, Alexey Zakhlestin <indeyets@gmail.com>
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Diane,

Thank you for summarizing OMR - these features makes sense - vocab management type features - aka concept governance are important to have.  I still need to check with Oasis.  The legal question remains outstanding.

Regards,
Radu Marian, MSCS, SCEA, CISSP
Bank of America - Charlotte, NC
VP, Architect 2, Enterprise Security Architecture
Business phone number: (704) 628-6874
an Enterprise without Ontology is like a country without a map.

From: Diane Hillmann [mailto:metadata.maven@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 11:29 AM
To: Marian, Radu
Cc: LeVan,Ralph; Thad Guidry; public-vocabs@w3.org; Alexey Zakhlestin
Subject: Re: how to go about creating a new vocab?


Radu:
The OMR is a service designed to give the vocabulary owner (an important concept for us) the tools to manage and publish vocabularies.  We have user management controls in place--the admin that is (or represents) the owner makes the decisions about who among designated maintainers has specific permissions.
Most of our larger vocabulary owners prefer to use their own domain, and we can assist in providing appropriate content negotiation for external domains. Whether our domain or external domains are used, we do not claim ownership over the content provided by others through the OMR. Owners are free to export or move their vocabularies at any time. Our upgraded system will include improvements in several areas, including user management, private as well as public vocabularies, the ability to manage vocabularies locally and upload them to the OMR for distribution/availability for others, and semantic mapping.
Diane

On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Marian, Radu <radu.marian@baml.com<mailto:radu.marian@baml.com>> wrote:
Diane,

Thanks for pointing out to metadataregistry.org<http://metadataregistry.org>. I believe it addresses the discoverability aspect.  What about legal perspective?  Does it carry the legal weight to its identifiers in contracts between enterprise and cloud server providers - specifically in regards to user permission provisioning?

Ralph - thanks for pointing this out.  I wonder if Oasis has some kind of registry of its vocabularies?

Regards,
Radu Marian, MSCS, SCEA, CISSP
Bank of America - Charlotte, NC
VP, Architect 2, Enterprise Security Architecture
Business phone number: (704) 628-6874<tel:%28704%29%20628-6874>
an Enterprise without Ontology is like a country without a map.

From: LeVan,Ralph [mailto:levan@oclc.org<mailto:levan@oclc.org>]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 3:02 PM
To: Diane Hillmann; Marian, Radu

Cc: Thad Guidry; public-vocabs@w3.org<mailto:public-vocabs@w3.org>; Alexey Zakhlestin
Subject: RE: how to go about creating a new vocab?

I've done standards work in OASIS and they're pretty possessive about the work products from their committees.  They're going to want to be the ones to control this schema.

Ralph

From: Diane Hillmann [mailto:metadata.maven@gmail.com<mailto:metadata.maven@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 1:50 PM
To: Marian, Radu
Cc: Thad Guidry; public-vocabs@w3.org<mailto:public-vocabs@w3.org>; Alexey Zakhlestin
Subject: Re: how to go about creating a new vocab?

Have you looked at the Open Metadata Registry (metadataregistry.org<http://metadataregistry.org>)? We've been around for a while and currently provide vocabulary development services for free. We're actively working on upgrades and additions to the services.
Diane Hillmann
Metadata Management Associates

On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Marian, Radu <radu.marian@baml.com<mailto:radu.marian@baml.com>> wrote:
That is correct Thad - thanks for clarification.

Radu Marian, MSCS, SCEA, CISSP
Bank of America - Charlotte, NC
VP, Architect 2, Enterprise Security Architecture
Business phone number: (704) 628-6874<tel:%28704%29%20628-6874>
an Enterprise without Ontology is like a country without a map.

From: Thad Guidry [mailto:thadguidry@gmail.com<mailto:thadguidry@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:20 PM
To: Marian, Radu
Cc: public-vocabs@w3.org<mailto:public-vocabs@w3.org>; Alexey Zakhlestin
Subject: RE: how to go about creating a new vocab?


I think you are really asking where you can store your draft vocabulary , work on it, and then later publish it ?
On May 2, 2013 11:15 AM, "Marian, Radu" <radu.marian@baml.com<mailto:radu.marian@baml.com>> wrote:
Alex,

Thank you - I did see them both.  They may satisfy basic Web and Social access control needs.

However our goal is to standardize on an IAM vocabulary in Cloud/Enterprise. It should cover all IAM phases - Access Design, Request, Approval, Provisioning, Runtime, Review, Analytics, and Reconciliation.

Here is the latest model snapshot https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/cloudauthz/download.php/49053/entitlement.ontology.png

P.S. I am working on a write-up to describe this model.

Regards,
Radu Marian, MSCS, SCEA, CISSP
Bank of America - Charlotte, NC
VP, Architect 2, Enterprise Security Architecture
Business phone number: (704) 628-6874<tel:%28704%29%20628-6874>
an Enterprise without Ontology is like a country without a map.


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From: Alexey Zakhlestin [mailto:indeyets@gmail.com<mailto:indeyets@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:40 AM
To: Marian, Radu
Cc: public-vocabs@w3.org<mailto:public-vocabs@w3.org>
Subject: Re: how to go about creating a new vocab?


On 02.05.2013, at 19:26, "Marian, Radu" <radu.marian@baml.com<mailto:radu.marian@baml.com>> wrote:

> Dear Public Vocabs Community,
>
> At OASIS we have started a CloudAuthZ TC which is creating a new access control model.
>
> We would like to create an access control vocabulary similar to http://schema.org.  We do have  a draft model ontology for access control - however we need to move from ontology design into vocabulary registration.
>
> So the question - is where do we start?  What is the simplest way to build such a vocabulary?
>
> P.S. The vocab that we have in mind is not necessarily for Web use but rather for Enterprise and Cloud.

Did you see these ones?

http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebAccessControl
http://sioc-project.org/ontology#sec-modules-access

What would be advantage of your vocabulary?



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Alexey Zakhlestin
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