Re: Proposal for new Schema.org mark-up: Vacation Rentals

Yes, but in general, I suggest using http://www.productontology.org types for indicating the type of the object.

As for Yannis' question: As a general direction for a new proposal, I suggest to define the most important types of rental objects as subtypes of http://schema.org/Product or http://schema.org/Thing, e.g. those provided by http://purl.org/acco/ns, like


 • acco:Accommodation
 • acco:Apartment
 • acco:CampingPitch
 • acco:Hotel
 • acco:HotelRoom
 • acco:House
 • acco:MeetingRoom
 • acco:Resort
 • acco:Suite

If we make them subtypes of Thing, we should expand the range of itemOffered from Product to Thing or, logically redundant and thus less beautiful but likely more intuitive to users, to Product OR Thing.

Martin



On Jan 8, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Thad Guidry wrote:

> A Thing (which is the more general Schema.org type for Product) can use the additionalType property that specifies a URL. See http://schema.org/Thing 
> 
> and URL could be the SKOS concept of a Vacation_rental like this one: http://live.dbpedia.org/page/Category:Vacation_rental
> 
> I think ?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Καραγιαννίδης Γιάννης <giankar@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you for the example Martin, very useful.
> 
> Question: As you describe, with GoodRelations we can describe 99% of the vacation rental attributes. What's the 1% missing? Why do we have Schemas for Hotels, Motels, Hostels and B&Bs then?
> 
> My only concern is that through GoodRelations, we can describe almost everything though the mark-up but with the absence of a Schema mark-up for Vacation Rentals we aren't "grouping" the mark-up like the other accommodation options - am I missing something here? With GoodRelations we can describe accommodation in general but we don't specify industry
> 
> Thank you!
> Yannis
> 
> 
> 2013/1/8 Martin Hepp <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org>
> Hi Yannis:
> 
> GoodRelations is a generic e-commerce schema for any industry where you have
> 
> 1. someone (a person or organisation) who
> 2. offers some rights (ownership, temporary usage, licensing, disposal, ...) on
> 3. some object or service (a car, a house, a hotel room, 500 g of cheese, a camcorder).
> 
> I strongly suggest to make the generic elements from GoodRelations that are already included in schema.org the basis for any industry-specific e-commerce extension, since you want clients to rely on the same conceptual patterns for prices, no matter of the type of object. otherwise, clients will have to apply complicated processing rules, e.g. if the modeling of prices for cars uses other conceptual elements than the pricing of hotel rooms etc.
> 
> Also, computing bundles (hotel + car, airfare + hotel) gets overly complicated.
> 
> > Do you think that GoodRelations is more suitable for this industry than a dedicated schema mark-up for vacation rentals?
> Definitely. Note that while we call schema.org a schema, it is in essence a conceptual model that provides the basic distinctions for representing information.
> 
> While it is tempting to look at schema.org as a *mark-up syntax*, the respective mark-up patterns in microdata and RDFa are only derived from the underlying conceptual model.
> 
> For the types of property, I suggest to use a basic schema.org type and refine them using http://www.productontology.org types + additionalType, because otherwise schema.org will have to maintain hundreds of property types across cultural spheres (from tipi to cottage, house boats, ....).
> 
> So basically, schema.org with its GoodRelations addition is 99 % ready to go for rental:
> 
> An apartment for $ 99 per night with a minimum stay of two nights:
> 
> 
> <div>
>   <div itemtype="http://schema.org/Offer" itemscope>
> <!-- Textual description -->
>     <div itemprop="name">Apartment with a sea-side view for $ 99 per night</div>
>     <div itemprop="description">...more text...</div>
> <!-- You rent the object -->
>         <link itemprop="businessFunction" href="http://purl.org/goodrelations/v1#LeaseOut" />
> <!-- Structured price information: $ 99 / night for a minimum of two nights -->
>         Rate: <div itemprop="priceSpecification" itemscope
>        itemtype="http://schema.org/UnitPriceSpecification">$
>         <span itemprop="price">99</span>
>         <meta itemprop="priceCurrency" content="USD"> per
>         <meta itemprop="unitCode" content="DAY"> night
>         <div itemprop="eligibleQuantity" itemtype="http://schema.org/QuantitativeValue" itemscope> (minimum
>                 <meta itemprop="minValue">2</div>
>                 <meta itemprop="hasUnitOfMeasurement" content="DAY" /> nights)
>         </div>
>         </div>
> <!-- Validity of the offer (i.e. latest absolute booking date for that offer) -->
>         <time itemprop="validThrough" datetime="2013-12-31T23:59:59Z">Offer valid until Dec. 31, 2013</time>
>  <!-- Object to which the offer refers -->
>         <div itemprop="itemOffered" itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/Product">
>                 <link itemprop="additionalType" href="http://www.productontology.org/id/Apartment" itemscope />
>                 <div itemprop="name">Great Leisure Apartment with a sea-side to remember</div>
>         <div itemprop="description">...more text...</div>
> <!-- accomodation features may be added here once my ProductFeature proposal is approved ;-) -->
>         </div>
> </div>
> 
> This is a quick sketch, of course, so please forgive minor bugs in the example.
> 
> Martin
> 
> On Jan 8, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Καραγιαννίδης Γιάννης wrote:
> 
> > Hi Martin,
> >
> > We could make use of GoodRelations but I think that it's quite generic and not quite relevant with the vacation rental industry. My incentives to create a separate schema mark-up are mainly the property types (cottage, villa, farmhouse etc) and the amenities that differ many times from hotels.
> >
> > Do you think that GoodRelations is more suitable for this industry than a dedicated schema mark-up for vacation rentals?
> >
> > Thank you!
> > Yannis
> >
> >
> > 2013/1/7 Martin Hepp <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org>
> > Hi,
> > Thanks for your proposal. I would suggest to incorporate the existing GoodRelations extensions for accommodations from
> >
> >     http://purl.org/acco/ns
> >
> > into schema.org, since it should provide a generic pattern for all kinds of accommodations and accommodation features.
> >
> > I can work on that if there is consensus about this.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On Jan 7, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Καραγιαννίδης Γιάννης wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > >
> > > I’m starting this discussion with regards to the creation of a new Schema.org mark-up concerning the Vacation Rental industry.
> > >
> > > The description of the proposal can be found here: http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/VacationRentals
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Additionally, the proposal has been added to the proposal page: http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/SchemaDotOrgProposals
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm looking forward to receive some feedback from you before proceeding to the next level of the proposal - some examples with HTML5 code
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you for your time!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Giannis Karagiannidis
> > >
> >
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> > universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen
> >
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> >
> >
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> -Thad
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