Re: webschema-ISSUE-13 (Describing Real Estate): Schema.org should document how best to describe Real Estate [Feedback on Schema.org]

Right Jim,  that is sort of what I was suggesting... which is to formally
begin working on a new Rental Type for Schema.org because of the various
mix-in problems that we have been discussing.  And I do agree with you that
a new Rental Type could and should be used on Timeshares.

Agreed, regarding all sorts of wild properties and wild types ... I just
think out loud... very loudly, which is typical of me to brainstorm
publicly. :)  And besides giving concrete real world schema problems is
when we have gained the most traction in Schema.org  (even if we do not
really need to solve them all) :)

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Rhyne <jrhyne@thematix.com> wrote:

> The situation in real estate is analogous to that in travel. An offer has
> a period of validity and other terms. What is being offered is the use of a
> facility (hotel room, office space, condominium). What distinguishes a
> timeshare from a rental are the terms of use, not the terms of offer. The
> terms of use are part of the product or service. The product may refer to
> the facility to be used (the hotel room, timeshare suite, etc.). Schema.org
> uses product because it is biased toward sales, in which there are no terms
> of use, since the sale conveys all rights (of course this is not true for
> property sales, which often carry binding covenante). ****
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> To fix this, product should be replaced with another term (e.g. item or
> facility). However, I do not seriously expect this to happen, so we need to
> find another English term that is suggestive of the contracted terms of
> use. We have been using “rental” for that purpose. It is probably over
> specific in that many people would object to a timeshare being described as
> a rental (unless they have taken a course in economics).****
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> The resulting schema would consist of offer, rental and product. Offer
> carries the terms of offer, rental the terms of use, and product is the
> item to be used.****
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> should document how best to describe Real Estate [Feedback on Schema.org]*
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> My first thought was that a Time Share would be (as Jesse Friedman
> suggested) a type of Offer (a way to sell something), while the Real Estate
> itself would be a type of ProductOrService (a thing that can be sold,
> rented, let out, etc). So you would Offer that House on the Beach via Time
> Share.****
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> But then- a Time Share is really a Product, isn't it? This house, during
> these two weeks in February, is a discreet thing which can be bought, sold,
> rented, let out (seized, repossessed, etc).****
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> It occurs to me that ProductOrService relates to "Asset" in the legal
> sense- something that can be owned.****
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> And a two week Time Share on a house relates to the house in pretty much
> the same way that the second-floor of an office building (which can also be
> sold separately) relates to the office building as a whole. (Or, for that
> matter, it relates the same way that Shares of a Publicly traded company
> relate to the company as a whole). They are all assets that can be owned,
> bought, sold, transferred, etc.****
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> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jesse Friedman <cobbsfriedman@gmail.com>
> wrote:****
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> There should probably be a top designation that splits real estate into,
> for sale, rentals, timeshares, etc. Would have to think pf the best way to
> segment everything. My question is this... Should every single detail of a
> property be microformatted or just what people generally are searching for
> on the search engines. So where do we start to get the ball rolling...
> Assemble a list of fields and a hierarchy of the data that should be
> formatted?****
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> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com>
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> One more footnote...and question to the community...****
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> Are Timeshares ... Real Estate ? or should be considered a General
> Category of a Real Estate Type ?  My vote would be YES.****
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