- From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 11:29:08 +0900
- To: public-vc-wg@w3.org
available at: https://www.w3.org/2018/12/04-vcwg-minutes.html also as text below. Thanks a lot for taking these minutes, David Chadwick! Kazuyuki --- [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Verifiable Claims Working Group 04 Dec 2018 [2]Agenda [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vc-wg/2018Dec/0000.html Attendees Present Dan_Burnett, Markus_Sabadello, Benjamin_Young, Tim_Tibbals, Dave_Longley, David_Chadwick, Kaliya_Young, Ken_Ebert, Manu_Sporny, Matt_Stone, Ted_Thibodeau, Tzviya_Siegman, Ganesh_Annan, David_Ezell, Dmitri_Zagidulin, Joe_Andrieu, Kaz_Ashimura, Mike_Lodder, Brent_Zundel, Oliver_Terbu, Yancy_Ribbens Regrets Chair Dan_Burnett, Matt_Stone Scribe DavidC Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]Agenda review, Introductions, Re-introductions 2. [5]Unassigned issues 3. [6]Get to CR Schedule Review 4. [7]Initial Consensus vote by WG 5. [8]draft concensus vote 6. [9]Initial Consensus vote by WG 7. [10]Next week's call * [11]Summary of Action Items * [12]Summary of Resolutions __________________________________________________________ <burn> scribenick: DavidC Agenda review, Introductions, Re-introductions Unassigned issues Matt does not believe there are any <Zakim> manu, you wanted to note ongoing bikeshed vote! <manu> Link to the ongoing bikeshed poll on "Identifier Registry": [13]https://www.opavote.com/en/vote/4635712146112512 [13] https://www.opavote.com/en/vote/4635712146112512 Manu gave an update on the poll for terminology of the ID registry 26 (?) people already participated in the poll <burn> [14]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93& q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+no%3Aassignee [14] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues?utf8=✓&q=is:issue+is:open+no:assignee Noone assigned to #253 Get to CR Schedule Review Noone volunteered, but since it is not important, defer assignment for now Initial Consensus vote by WG At TPAC advised to be early rather than late and not to ask for an extension if no CR already published We need to publish by 15 Jan 2019 Can only publish on Tuesdays and Thursdays (providing it is not a blue moon :-) We have already had informal reviews from many groups (ex. security) People do not like giving them a review document just before holidays But two weeks plus holidays is a good strategy to adopt which makes it next Tuesday, Dec 11 <stonematt> publishing date milestone calculator: [15]https://w3c.github.io/spec-releases/milestones/ [15] https://w3c.github.io/spec-releases/milestones/ This explains the pressure for finishing issues and PRs ASAP If we can document changes after publication, then this is acceptable practice All above said by stonematt stonematt: if the format changes due to edits after initial publication, then a new CR will need to be published <stonematt> what's expected in the "explainer" <JoeAndrieu> [16]https://github.com/w3ctag/w3ctag.github.io/blob/master/expl ainers.md [16] https://github.com/w3ctag/w3ctag.github.io/blob/master/explainers.md <Zakim> JoeAndrieu, you wanted to mention requirements update JoeAndrieu: use cases team have been going through their doc since the TPAC ... how does the use case and requirements docs fit into the timeframe <tzviya> wide review [17]https://www.w3.org/wiki/DocumentReview [17] https://www.w3.org/wiki/DocumentReview JoeAndrieu: use cases doc will make changes to data model due to more requirements on DM stonematt: the DM CR needs to show that we have met the requirements ... we need to know how well current DM doc matches use case requirements ... will talk to JoeAndrieu after this meeting to get details kaz: need to check implementability of all the mandatory features in the DM burn: we have a test suite already Manu: usually implementations follow the publication of CR and do not preceed it kaz: CR entering criteria is generating a list of features as an implementation plan document, and CR exit criteria is filling that out as an implementation report with 2 or more implementations for each feature burn: we need an implementation doc after the CR is published <TallTed> [18]https://www.w3.org/TR/prov-overview/ [18] https://www.w3.org/TR/prov-overview/ TallTed: is struggling to see how current DM fits the initial WG requirements <Zakim> manu, you wanted to note that given all of these items, and given our velocity, next week isn't happening (especially given the workshop) TallTed: a lot of work has gone into the the current DM, but I believe there is still a lot of work to do ... too much to go to CR this week or even next week Manu: everyone is under pressure, so meeting the suggested schedule will be very difficult ... we could publish on 15 Jan and give 45 days notice now ... this gives everyone advance notice of our intention, and we do not anticipate any major changes between now and then ... multiple people are implementing the current DM, so I do not believe (unlike TallTed) that the current DM is not implementable ... the working group is working well, the process is something of a ball and chain ... the current DM is not the final DM, but is it good enough for v1? ... will the current DM cause any major difficulties to users? If not, then we should be able to accept the current DM as the initial version <Zakim> burn, you wanted to talk about timing and to talk about process confusion and to question the 15 Jan date and to say no new features burn: the major issues are ZKP and JWT ... unfortunately these topics were started late in the cycle ... we will not publish a CR in January if we cannot do a full review immediately ... up to 6 month extension is relatively easy to get providing you have already published a CR ... the fact that we already have implementations does not mean that the current CR is stable ... no new features after CR is published ... so ToU needs to be either resolved ASAP or removed now <Zakim> TallTed, you wanted to say that revisiting/revising demands backward-compatibility, so it really has to be more than "good enough" TallTed: I do not propose to formally object, but I am objecting to some of the current spec details ... v1 should be the minimum required to make VCs usable ... it might be 3 to 5 years before the next version is chartered ... and it might mean that v2 is incompatible with v1 ... so v1 will need to fail elegantly with a v2 system dezell: I chaired schema WG. Getting CR published was challenging ... as far as I know producing a ruby when a diamond was promised is OK ... so if the spec if not finished but is going in the right direction, then AC should approve this <Zakim> burn, you wanted to ask Ted for the specific pieces he thinks might need to be left out and to remind people about W3C Notes burn: if a feature is not solidly agreed, it can still be written up in a non-standard WG Note <TallTed> +1 WG Notes are good things burn: so if we cannot fully work out an advanced feature, then putting it in a non-normative Note is one way forward ... TallTed can you say which features you think should be pulled out? ... ToU is one obvious one to me Sorry. .... > TallTed <manu> yeah, +1 to that, TallTed <manu> ... and was what was intended. <Zakim> kaz, you wanted to ask if you want me to start discussion with w3m about possible charter extension (given the current charter expires at the end of March 2019) kaz: should I start to talk with the W3C Management about requresting an extension? burn: let's talk about that during the VC Chairs call <Zakim> manu, you wanted to note that we also have wider review than we think... that we can share with W3M. burn: requesting an extension is not so we can relax now, but rather so that we can finish what we are doing manu: we have requested very wide ranging reviews, which is more than a lot of other WGs ... US Federal government has said it plans to use VCs <burn> agree with Manu. I mentioned at the beginning that I believe we alreaxdy have very wide review <burn> And am happy to defend that in a transition call manu: everything is going well for us, except the W3C timeline process :-( draft concensus vote Initial Consensus vote by WG burn: who in the working group would object to us publising what we have today apart from editorial changes? <oliver_terbu> :) manu: does this include the pending PRs? <stonematt> +1 after ZKP, JWT, ToU disposition <dlongley> +1 after the PRs are in <manu> +1 after PRs are in <JoeAndrieu> as long as the PR goes in, I won't object. I would today. (Btw, David Chadwick approved the PR, so we're just waiting for Manu) <oliver_terbu> +1 after ZKP, JWT <dmitriz> +1 +1 after PRs are in <JoeAndrieu> -1 without PRs <ken> +1 after ZKP, JWT, (remove or fix) TOU <TallTed> -0 because I wasn't prepared for this question as such. I have concerns, but a reread after PR application may resolve them. burn: +1 means I approve publication, -1 I do not <dezell> +1 with PRs <manu> ... and we don't have any crazy PRs at this point, IIRC. <Tim_Tibbals> +1 especially with Added first few examples and text to data model that highlights zkp #265 PR. <brentz> +1 after ZKP Next week's call burn: who cannot attend next week? <brentz> cannot attend <ken> cannot attend <burn> Lots of cannot attends next week, some unminuted <oliver_terbu> what about rescheduling? <Tim_Tibbals> move call? burn: should we cancel next week? ... if we do not have the current PR editors available next week then we should cancel sorry burn-> stonematt <oliver_terbu> i could also attend the meeting but if the spec editor is not available, it won't be productive burn: next week's meeting is cancelled. This gives you an extra hour to work on the PRs :-) ... the next call will be 18 Dec and this will be the last one this year <stonematt> thanks all! <kaz> [adjourned] Summary of Action Items Summary of Resolutions [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________ Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by David Booth's [19]scribe.perl version 1.154 ([20]CVS log) $Date: 2018/12/06 02:27:40 $ [19] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [20] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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