{agenda} TTWG Meeting 2018-10-11

This meeting is scheduled for up to 120 minutes.
Please be ready for a prompt start at 14:03am UTC time.

Our teleconference is scheduled with reference to UTC Time, the correct time of this teleconference in your locale may change.

Check https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20181011T14&p1=1440


Thursdays 14:03am-16:00pm UTC

Joining details:

see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-tt/2016Oct/0009.html

(members-only link – if you can't see this and wish to join please contact me)

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Agenda+ Assign Roles

Chairs: Nigel Megitt

Scribe: usually Nigel – open to offers!

Regrets:

Activity since last meeting:
See individual agenda items for recent activity on specific products

Cross-product TTWG board: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/board/

We are still using tracker for actions unrelated to issues.
Please do not add or modify issues in tracker!

IMSC: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pulse

TTML1: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pulse

TTML2: https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pulse

TTML Profile Registry: https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pulse

TTML-WebVTT mapping: https://github.com/w3c/ttml-webvtt-mapping/pulse

WebVTT: https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pulse


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Agenda+ Prioritise discussion for this meeting and look ahead

Check-point for order of topics – I'd suggest, subject to reordering:
1. Prioritise discussion for this meeting and look ahead
2. TTML1 Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
3. TTML2 Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
4. IMSC  Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
5. TTML Profile Registry Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
6. CSS Actions Review
7. WebVTT (David Singer to Chair if present)
8. TPAC 2018 – agenda, etc
9. AOB – please notify of any other AOB now!


Reminder re future milestones and meetings:

October meetings:

Thursday 18th October: TTWG meeting 2 Hour(s)
Monday 22nd October: TTWG f2f meeting at TPAC, Lyon
Tuesday 23rd October: TTWG f2f meeting at TPAC, Lyon

Next planned face to face: TPAC 2018 Lyon<https://www.w3.org/2018/10/TPAC/Overview.html>, 22-26 October.
TTWG TPAC 2018 wiki page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/tpac2018


IMSC 1.1 and TTML publication events: see https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/specs-timeline.html


Further ahead:

Note that no meeting is planned for Thursday 1st November currently.

From 8th November onwards the meeting time will be scheduled at 1503 UTC to adjust for non-DST during the Northern hemisphere winter.

Thursday 8th November: TTWG meeting ? Hour(s)
Thursday 15th November: TTWG meeting ? Hour(s)
Thursday 22nd November: TTWG meeting ? Hour(s)
Thursday 29th November: TTWG meeting ? Hour(s)

Future DST date changes: https://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/2018.html


In particular, this year, given our current attendance, the next change is:

Europe changes on Sunday 28 October
USA changes on Sunday 4 November
Philippines, Japan and China has no DST in 2018


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Agenda+ TTML1 Actions, Pull Requests and Issues

Actions

No actions due in tracker.

Next steps: prepare Rec version.

Recent Activity


 1 Release published by 1 person
Published ttml1-PR-20181004 TTML1 3ED Proposed Recommendation<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/releases/tag/ttml1-PR-20181004>

1 Pull request merged by 1 person
Merged #367 TTML1 3ED Proposed Recommendation<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/367>

 1 Issue closed by 1 person
Closed #366 Create PR draft<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/366>


No issues opened over the last week.

Proposed timeline for publication: https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/specs-timeline.html


Pull Requests To Review (if discussion requested)

No pull requests open at this time.

New (and old) Issues to Discuss

No issues opened over the last week, no issues marked for the agenda.

(Plus unresolved issues with ongoing conversations, to be confirmed.)


Links

TTML1 issues and pull requests labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/labels/agenda

TTML1 issues blocked: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/labels/blocked

Current open issues: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues

Most recent TTML1 3rd Edition PR: https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/PR-ttml1-20181004/

TTML1 Tests repo: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1-tests



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Agenda+ TTML2 Implementation Report, Actions, Pull Requests and Issues

Actions

No actions recorded on tracker.

Recent Activity

 1 Release published by 1 person
Published ttml2-PR-20181004 PR<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/releases/tag/ttml2-PR-20181004>

 1 Pull request merged by 1 person
Merged #1007 Create PR publishing package.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/1007>



Proposed timeline for publication: https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/specs-timeline.html



Pull Requests open for review (to discuss if requested):

 1 Pull request proposed by 1 person
Proposed #1011 Update to REC status (#1010).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/1011>

No pull request open for longer than a week.


New (and old) Issues and Pull Requests to discuss:

(Plus unresolved issues with ongoing conversations, to be confirmed.)
TTML2 issues and pull requests labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/labels/agenda


 1 Issue created by 1 person
Opened #1010 Update to REC status.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/1010>

There is one issue currently labelled for the Agenda:

Handling non-kana text for rubyAlign with spaceAround or spaceBetween<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/251>WR-for-disposition-action<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3AWR-for-disposition-action> WR-resolved-partial<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3AWR-resolved-partial> agenda<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3Aagenda> horizontal review comment<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3A%22horizontal+review+comment%22> i18n-comment<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3Ai18n-comment> pr merged<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3A%22pr+merged%22>

Links

Most recent PR published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/PR-ttml2-20181004/

Current ED available at https://w3c.github.io/ttml2/


Current open issues:  https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues

See spreadsheet of editorial actions at https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/ednotes.xlsx

Edit/build instructions now in README in ttml2/spec/ at https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/README.md



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Agenda+ IMSC Implementation Report, Actions, Pull Requests and Issues

Actions

None in tracker.

Next step: Prepare Rec version.

Recent Activity

 1 Release published by 1 person
Published imsc1.1-PR-20181004

 1 Pull request merged by 1 person
Merged #459 IMSC 1.1 Draft Proposed Recommendation<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/459>


No issues closed over the last week.

Proposed timeline for publication: https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/specs-timeline.html




Pull Requests To Review (if discussion requested)

No pull requests open.


New (and old) Issues to Discuss

 1 Issue created by 1 person
Opened #465 WCAG 2.1 instead of WCAG 2.0?<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/465>

No issues or pull requests currently labelled as agenda.

Links

IMSC issues and pull requests labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/labels/agenda :
IMSC issues blocked: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/labels/blocked


IMSC 1.1 PR published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/PR-ttml-imsc1.1-20181004/

Patent policy call for exclusions sent 2017-02-03, archived at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Feb/0006.html

IMSC 1.0.1
Editor's draft is directly viewable at http://w3c.github.io/imsc/imsc1/spec/ttml-ww-profiles.html

IMSC 1.0.1 Rec published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/REC-ttml-imsc1.0.1-20180424/


IMSC Implementation Page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_implementation_page.

IMSC Tests repository: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests


Unicode CLDR discussion
Unicode ticket is at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915

Pierre's response to the recent update is at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915#comment:9

Email response from Shervin at Unicode https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0018.html


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Agenda+ CSS actions review

Response to Elika's email of 4th October at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2018Oct/0011.html


Do the updates to CSS Text address the requirements we put forward for presentation of subtitles and captions?


For reference, we have the following CSS issues open:

[css-sizing][css-align][css-text] Aligning an aligned block of text within its container <https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1975> TTML<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3ATTML>css-align-4<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-align-4> css-sizing-4<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-sizing-4> css-text-4<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-text-4>
[css-inline] Allow background of an inline area to extend to before-and after-edges of the line area <https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1974> TTML<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3ATTML> css-inline-3<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-inline-3>
[css-inline][css-text-4] Allow padding to be applied at line start and end <https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1973> TTML<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3ATTML> css-inline-3<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-inline-3>css-text-4<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-text-4>
#2983 Support for shearing of lines and inline elements<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/2983>

Additionally the following CSS issues may be of interest:

[css-fonts-4] oblique angle for synthesis in vertical text <https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/2869>  css-fonts-4<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3Acss-fonts-4>
[css-inline] Define the content area of inline boxes <https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/814> css-inline-3<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Acss-inline-3>

Are CSS issues filed for all style attributes for which we believe CSS work is needed?

See also https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Nov/0109.html


CSS WG review

Minutes from TTWG and CSS WG joint meeting at TPAC: https://www.w3.org/2017/11/09-tt-minutes.html#item35

Minutes from CSS WG Paris F2F that Nigel attended remotely on Friday 4th August: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Sep/0000.html

This is at https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/CSSRequirements


TAG design review issue: https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/138


CSS Review of TTML2, threads: FW: TTML2 horizontal review with CSS<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0013.html> and Fwd: Subtitle/caption styling + TTML + CSS<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0019.html>

CSS 2.2 request for reviews from TTWG et al: Pre-announcement of CR for CSS 2.2 & request for reviews<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0017.html> When can we schedule a review and gather feedback?


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Agenda+ TTML Profile Registry


Links

TTML Profile Registry editor's draft: https://w3c.github.io/tt-profile-registry/

TTML Profile Registry repository: https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry


Recent Activity

No pull requests merged or issues closed.

Pull requests for review (to discuss if requested)

No pull requests currently open.

One pull request opened for longer than a week:

Add support for IMSC 1.1 Text and Image Profile <https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pull/36> enhancement<https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/issues?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+label%3Aenhancement>

 5 Issues created by 2 people
Opened #46 Registry is not used to exchange profiles<https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/issues/46>
Opened #45 Which document defines TTML's MIME type<https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/issues/45>
Opened #44 Abstract and status mismatch<https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/issues/44>
Opened #43 Add informative mention of EBU-TT Metadata<https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/issues/43>
Opened #42 Add EBU-TT profiles<https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/issues/42>

No issues or pull requests currently marked for the agenda.

Links

TTML Profile Registry issues labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/labels/agenda :



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Agenda+ WebVTT

Actions

None in tracker

Links

WebVTT Wide review wiki page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebVTT_Wide_Review


Activity

No pull requests proposed or closed this period.

5 pull requests open for longer than a week:

Proposed #439 Fix some links from the linkchecker and the broken process document link<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/439>
Proposed #430 Fontsize changes<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/430>
Proposed #434 Add a definition of "video viewport" and how it relates in HTML5 to object size resolution.<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/434>
Proposed #438 Update CLA and License agreement<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/438>
Proposed #419Timeranges<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/419>

No other (meaningful) issues created this period.

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Agenda+ TPAC 2018

TTWG TPAC 2018 wiki page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/tpac2018


Registration – please add names to the wiki page. Member-only list of registered participants: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2018/registrants#TT


Agenda for TPAC?

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Agenda+ AOB

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References

Wiki http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText





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