- From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 16:40:18 +0000
- To: TTWG <public-tt@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <D761657B.6051B%nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
This meeting is scheduled for up to 120 minutes.
Please be ready for a prompt start at 10:03am Boston time.
Our teleconference is scheduled with reference to Boston Time, the correct time of this teleconference in your locale may change.
Check https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20180705T10&p1=43
Thursdays 10:03am-12:00pm Boston local
Joining details:
see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-tt/2016Oct/0009.html
(members-only link – if you can't see this and wish to join please contact me)
Agenda+ Assign Roles
Chairs: Nigel Megitt
Scribe: usually Nigel – open to offers!
Regrets: Andreas
Activity since last meeting:
See individual agenda items for recent activity on specific products
Cross-product TTWG board: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/board/
We are still using tracker for actions unrelated to issues.
Please do not add or modify issues in tracker!
IMSC: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pulse
TTML1: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pulse
TTML2: https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pulse
TTML Profile Registry: https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pulse
TTML-WebVTT mapping: https://github.com/w3c/ttml-webvtt-mapping/pulse
WebVTT: https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pulse
Agenda+ Prioritise discussion for this meeting and look ahead
Check-point for order of topics – I'd suggest, subject to reordering:
1. TTML1 Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
2. TTML2 Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
3. IMSC Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
4. IMSC vNext requirements Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
5. CSS Actions Review
6. WebVTT (David Singer to Chair if present)
8. AOB – please notify of any other AOB now!
Reminder re future milestones and meetings:
July meetings:
Thursday 12th July: TTWG meeting 2 Hour(s)
Thursday 19th July: TTWG meeting 2 Hour(s)
Thursday 26th July: TTWG meeting 2 Hour(s)
IMSC 2 and TTML2 publication events: see the timeline of upcoming work at https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/Publications#Timeline_of_TTML2_and_IMSC2_work
Further ahead:
Thursday 2nd August: TTWG meeting 2 Hour(s)
Thursday 9th August: TTWG meeting 2 Hour(s)
Thursday 16th August: TTWG meeting 2 Hour(s) - NM regrets
Thursday 23rd August: TTWG meeting 2 Hour(s) - NM regrets
Thursday 30th August: TTWG meeting 2 Hour(s) -
Next planned face to face: TPAC 2018 Lyon<https://www.w3.org/2018/10/TPAC/Overview.html>, 22-26 October.
Agenda+ TTML1 Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
Actions
None in Tracker
Next steps to complete the TTML1 3rd Ed implementation report?
https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML1-3ED_implementation_report
Recent Activity
TTML1 3rd Edition CR was published on 24th April at https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/CR-ttml1-20180424/ (and pointed to by https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml1/ also).
No pull requests opened or issues closed.
Pull Requests To Review (if discussion requested)
No new pull requests opened
New (and old) Issues and Pull Requests to Discuss
One older pull request open:
Proposed #353 Move edition number to subtitle (#352)<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/353>
(Plus unresolved issues with ongoing conversations, to be confirmed.)
No issues or pull requests marked for the agenda
Links
TTML1 issues and pull requests labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/labels/agenda
TTML1 issues blocked: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/labels/blocked
Current open issues: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues
Most recent TTML1 3rd Edition CR: https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/CR-ttml1-20180424/
TTML1 Tests repo: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1-tests
Agenda+ TTML2 Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
Actions
ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with
ACTION-443<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443>[(edit)]<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443/edit> open Prepare a document showing mapping arib ruby extension features to ttml2 for use as a liaison document to arib.<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443> Glenn Adams 2018-07-05 TTML2<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4>
ACTION-513<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/513>[(edit)]<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/513/edit> open Look at ttml2 backporting to ttml1 3rd ed to see if we can change the ref from ttml2 to point to 3rd ed.<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/513> Pierre-Anthony Lemieux 2018-07-05
What needs to be done to complete the TTML2 implementation report?
https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/TTML2ImplementationReport
Request to create a ttml2-tests repository.
Recent Activity
1 Release published by 1 person
Published ttml2-CR-20180628-CR2 CR2<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/releases/tag/ttml2-CR-20180628-CR2>
5 Pull requests merged by 1 person
Merged #873 Add missing tts:unicodeBidi 'isolate' value to schemas (#872).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/873>
Merged #871 Clarify inheritance of 'normal' line height with further resolved com…<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/871>
Merged #865 Remove parenthetical reference to use value (#861).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/865>
Merged #869 Revert to Editor's Draft (ED); update to PR type (#868).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/869>
Merged #856 Create CR2 publishing package.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/856>
5 Issues closed by 1 person
Closed #872 Schemas are missing tts:unicodeBidi 'isolate' value.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/872>
Closed #870 Clarify inheritance of line height 'normal'.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/870>
Closed #861 Remove parenthetical referring to 'use' value of a feature specification.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/861>
Closed #877 Cardinality of style properties in <set> incorrect<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/877>
Closed #868 Revert to editor's draft.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/868>
Pull Requests open for review (to discuss if requested):
3 Pull requests proposed by 1 person
Proposed #866 Fix typo (#857).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/866>
Proposed #867 Clarify constancy of ECP and EPP (#860).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/867>
Proposed #875 Add tts:display 'inlineBlock' value to schemas; update rnc schemas to…<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/875>
No pull requests open for longer.
New (and old) Issues and Pull Requests to discuss:
(Plus unresolved issues with ongoing conversations, to be confirmed.)
TTML2 issues and pull requests labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/labels/agenda
4 Issues created by 3 people
Opened #879 Clarify information sets cardinality of attributes<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/879>
Opened #878 Schemas should not permit @style on <initial>.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/878>
Opened #876 Clarify that [validate document] may have false {negatives,positives}.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/876>
Opened #874 Schemas are missing tts:display 'inlineBlock' value.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/874>
There is currently one Issue or Pull request currently marked as Agenda:
Clarify that construct effective {content,processor} profile is performed only once. <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/860> agenda<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3Aagenda>editorial<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3Aeditorial> pr open<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3A%22pr+open%22>
Clarify information sets cardinality of attributes <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/879> agenda<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aagenda> editorial<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aeditorial>
Links
Most recent CR published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/CR-ttml2-20180313/
Current ED available at https://w3c.github.io/ttml2/
Current open issues: https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues
See spreadsheet of editorial actions at https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/ednotes.xlsx
Edit/build instructions now in README in ttml2/spec/ at https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/README.md
Agenda+ IMSC Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
Actions
No actions due or overdue in tracker (one IMSC issue listed below in agenda item regarding CSS).
Recent Activity
IMSC 1 Superseded and IMSC 1 links now fixed to resolve the circular link problem.
We are part way through a Call for Consensus to publish IMSC 1.1 as CR2: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2018Jun/0236.html
The call for consensus ends on Friday 13th July.
11 Pull requests merged by 1 person
Merged #413 Improve description of dependent features and links to feature definitions<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/413>
Merged #412 Make TTML2 reference dated<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/412>
Merged #396 Apply tt:initial to extension style properties<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/396>
Merged #411 Add support for rh/rw<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/411>
Merged #403 Add support for tts:rubyAlign='spaceAround'<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/403>
Merged #408 Limit number of tts:textShadow <values> to 4<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/408>
Merged #397 Apply tts:origin constraints to tts:position<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/397>
Merged #406 Add tts:textShadow to HRM glyph definition<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/406>
Merged #399 Relax <annotation-position> constraints<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/399>
Merged #400 Apply workaround to <img> resize issue<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/400>
Merged #395 Refactor features tables<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/395>
21 Issues closed by 2 people
Closed #410 Improve dependent feature boilerplate text<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/410>
Closed #381 Change reference to TTML2 to a dated reference<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/381>
Closed #386 Clarify that tt:initial applies to styles defined in the EBU and IMSC namespaces<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/386>
Closed #372 Consider TTML feature(s) for rw/rh <length> units<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/372>
Closed #402 Add support for tts:rubyAlign="spaceAround"<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/402>
Closed #409 Add support for rw/rh in Text Profile<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/409>
Closed #373 Feature #textOrientation-sideways-LR listed twice<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/373>
Closed #391 Check the text color constrast<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/391>
Closed #407 Constrain number of <shadow> values in tts:textShadow<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/407>
Closed #366 tts:position should be allowed on region only<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/366>
Closed #405 Add tts:textShadow to the definition of HRM glyph<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/405>
Closed #385 Consider relaxing constraints on <annotation-position> to include "before" and "after"<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/385>
Closed #401 Replace tts:fontShear with tts:shear and tts:lineShear<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/401>
Closed #392 Move additional #position contraints to chapter 8<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/392>
Closed #370 No negative values for tts:disparity<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/370>
Closed #382 No <length> in tts:extent due to prohibited #extent-measure<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/382>
Closed #390 Refactor features per TTML2 CR2<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/390>
Closed #393 Ensure that links from features table to additional constraints are consistent<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/393>
Closed #394 Negative lengths should be permitted on tts:shear, tts:lineShear and tts:textShadow<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/394>
Closed #389 Fix aspect ratio of itts:fillLineGap figures<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/389>
Closed #404 NOT FOUND<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/404>
Pull Requests To Review (if discussion requested)
3 Pull requests proposed by 1 person
Proposed #415 IMSC 1.1 CR2<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/415>
Proposed #416 Address pub checker issues<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/416>
Proposed #417 Address draft CR2 comments<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/417>
One pull request open for more than a week:
Proposed #379 General update<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/379>
New (and old) Issues to Discuss
1 Issue created by 1 person
Opened #414 Update SOTD for CR2<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/414>
No issues or pull requests currently labelled as agenda.
Links
IMSC issues and pull requests labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/labels/agenda :
IMSC issues blocked: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/labels/blocked
IMSC 1.0.1
Editor's draft is directly viewable at http://w3c.github.io/imsc/imsc1/spec/ttml-ww-profiles.html
IMSC 1.0.1 Rec published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/REC-ttml-imsc1.0.1-20180424/
IMSC 1 Rec available at https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-ttml-imsc1-20160421/ - we have resolved to supersede this in favour of 1.0.1
IMSC 1.1 CR published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/CR-ttml-imsc1.1-20180503/
Patent policy call for exclusions sent 2017-02-03, archived at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Feb/0006.html
IMSC Implementation Page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_implementation_page.
IMSC Tests repository: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests
IMSC 1.1 FPWD: https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/WD-ttml-imsc1.1-20171017/
Unicode CLDR discussion
Unicode ticket is at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915
Pierre's response to the recent update is at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915#comment:9
Email response from Shervin at Unicode https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0018.html
Agenda+ IMSC vNext Requirements
Links
IMSCvNext Requirements editor's draft: https://w3c.github.io/imsc-vnext-reqs/
IMSCvNext Requirements repository: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs
Recent Activity
3 Pull requests merged by 1 person
Merged #34 Add support for tts:rubyAlign='spaceAround'<https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/pull/34>
Merged #31 Add support for 'before' and 'after' to #rubyPosition and relax #rubyReserve and #textEmphasis-minimal<https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/pull/31>
Merged #26 Remove tts:fontShear and consider support for tts:shear and/or tts:lineShear<https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/pull/26>
6 Issues closed by 2 people
Closed #30 Consider adding support for tts:rubyAlign="spaceAround"<https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/issues/30>
Closed #27 Exclude support for blur radius in tts:textShadow<https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/issues/27>
Closed #25 Update tts:rubyReserve values <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/issues/25>
Closed #32 Remove restrictions on #textEmphasis<https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/issues/32>
Closed #23 Consider adding support for "before" and "after" annotation position<https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/issues/23>
Closed #24 Remove tts:fontShear and add tts:shear and/or tts:lineShear<https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/issues/24>
Pull requests for review (to discuss if requested)
1 Pull request proposed by 1 person
Proposed #35 Add support for #length-root-container-relative to Text Profile<https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/pull/35>
No pull requests open for longer.
PROPOSAL: Publish IMSC v1.1 Requirements as a WG Note
No issues or pull requests currently marked for the agenda.
No issues created this week.
Links
IMSC Requirements issues labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/labels/agenda :
IMSC Requirements issues blocked: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/labels/blocked
Agenda+ CSS actions review
There is 1 upcoming action.
ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with
ACTION-512<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/512>[(edit)]<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/512/edit> open Raise an issue with css wg requesting support for lineshear<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/512> Pierre-Anthony Lemieux 2018-07-05 TTML IMSC 1.1<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/13>
For reference, we have the following CSS issues open:
[css-sizing][css-align][css-text] Aligning an aligned block of text within its container <https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1975> TTML<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3ATTML>css-align-4<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-align-4> css-sizing-4<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-sizing-4> css-text-4<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-text-4>
[css-inline] Allow background of an inline area to extend to before-and after-edges of the line area <https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1974> TTML<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3ATTML> css-inline-3<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-inline-3>
[css-inline][css-text-4] Allow padding to be applied at line start and end <https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1973> TTML<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3ATTML> css-inline-3<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-inline-3>css-text-4<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-text-4>
Additionally the following CSS issues may be of interest:
[css-fonts-4] oblique angle for synthesis in vertical text <https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/2869> css-fonts-4<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3Acss-fonts-4>
Are CSS issues filed for all style attributes for which we believe CSS work is needed?
See also https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Nov/0109.html
CSS WG review
Minutes from TTWG and CSS WG joint meeting at TPAC: https://www.w3.org/2017/11/09-tt-minutes.html#item35
Minutes from CSS WG Paris F2F that Nigel attended remotely on Friday 4th August: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Sep/0000.html
This is at https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/CSSRequirements
TAG design review issue: https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/138
CSS Review of TTML2, threads: FW: TTML2 horizontal review with CSS<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0013.html> and Fwd: Subtitle/caption styling + TTML + CSS<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0019.html>
CSS 2.2 request for reviews from TTWG et al: Pre-announcement of CR for CSS 2.2 & request for reviews<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0017.html> When can we schedule a review and gather feedback?
Agenda+ WebVTT
Actions
None in tracker
Links
WebVTT Wide review wiki page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebVTT_Wide_Review
Activity
No pull requests merged this week.
5 pull requests open for longer than a week:
Proposed #439 Fix some links from the linkchecker and the broken process document link<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/439>
Proposed #430 Fontsize changes<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/430>
Proposed #434 Add a definition of "video viewport" and how it relates in HTML5 to object size resolution.<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/434>
Proposed #438 Update CLA and License agreement<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/438>
Proposed #419Timeranges<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/419>
No issues created or closed this week.
Agenda+ AOB
References
Wiki http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText
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