- From: Dae Kim <dakim@netflix.com>
- Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 12:29:23 -0700
- To: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Cc: Timed Text Working Group <public-tt@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CA+t+Ut9efiek_n4O4_Xqnwpj3H5Eww9ZRhpaoLuioCjPgK6bww@mail.gmail.com>
Should we discuss AD (195 <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/195>) at the top of the meeting? We didn't have a chance to discuss last week. -Dae *Dae Kim | Senior Video Engineer | Encoding Technology* *9420 94f4 a834 b038 2920 34b3 38ad b632 3738 942c 942f* On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 4:12 AM, Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk> wrote: > *This meeting is scheduled for up to 120m. Please be ready for a prompt > start at 10:03am Boston time. * > > Our teleconference is scheduled with reference to Boston Time, the correct > time of this teleconference in your locale may change. > > Check https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html? > iso=20170525T10&p1=43 > > Thursdays 10:03am-12:00pm Boston local > > *Joining details: * > > see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-tt/2016Oct/0009.html > (members-only link – if you can't see this and wish to join please contact > me) > > *Agenda+ Assign Roles* > > *Chairs: *Nigel Megitt > > *Scribe:* usually Nigel – open to offers! > > *Regrets: *Andreas, Thierry > > *Activity since last meeting:* > See individual agenda items for recent activity on specific products > > Cross-product TTWG board: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/board/ > > *We are still using tracker for actions unrelated to issues.* > *Please do not add or modify issues in tracker!* > > > IMSC: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pulse > TTML1: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pulse > TTML2: https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pulse > TTML Profile Registry: https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pulse > TTML-WebVTT mapping: https://github.com/w3c/ttml-webvtt-mapping/pulse > > WebVTT: https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pulse > > *Agenda+ Prioritise discussion for this meeting and look ahead* > > Check-point for order of topics – I'd suggest, subject to reordering: > 1. TPAC advanced planning > 2. TTML issue assignment and progress tracking > 3. TTML1 & TTML2 issues, actions, PRs, editorial actions etc > 4. IMSC > 5. HDR in PNG > 6. Progress on HTMLCue proposal (placeholder) > 7. WebVTT comments (placeholder) > 8. AOB – please notify of any other AOB now! > > > > Reminder re future milestones and meetings: > > *June Meetings:* > > Thursday 1st June: TTWG phone meeting 2 Hour(s) > Thursday 8th June: TTWG phone meeting 2 Hour(s) > Thursday 15th June: TTWG phone meeting 2 Hour(s) > Thursday 22th June: TTWG phone meeting 2 Hour(s) > Thursday 29th June: TTWG phone meeting 2 Hour(s) > > *Further ahead:* > > Thursday 6th July: TTWG phone meeting ? Hour(s) > Thursday 13th July: TTWG phone meeting ? Hour(s) > Thursday 20th July: TTWG phone meeting ? Hour(s) > Thursday 27th July: TTWG phone meeting ? Hour(s) > > *IMSC 2 and TTML2 publication events:* see the timeline of upcoming work > at *https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/Publications#Timeline_of_TTML2_and_IMSC2_work > <https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/Publications#Timeline_of_TTML2_and_IMSC2_work> * > > > *Agenda+ TPAC 2017 Advanced planning* > > As Chair I have completed the WBS survey, requesting: > > Attendance for ~10 people. > No preference for date, meet on any two days. > Flexible about days. > Joint meeting with CSS WG and with Web and TV IG. > Avoid overlap with Web and TV IG. > Permit observers. > Not member confidential. > Estimate ~6 attending technical plenary. > Estimate ~3 attending AC sessions Tuesday and Thursday. > > https://www.w3.org/2017/11/TPAC/Overview.html > > *Agenda+ TTML issue assignment and progress tracking (20 minutes maximum)* > > We have a tough goal to resolve our open issues by the end of May. Please > could you indicate for the coming week which issues you will be able to > pick up and prepare pull request(s) for? > > *Agenda+ TTML1 & TTML2 issues, actions, PRs, editorial actions etc* > > Horizontal Review: > > CSS Review of TTML2, threads: FW: TTML2 horizontal review with CSS > <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0013.html> and Fwd: > Subtitle/caption styling + TTML + CSS > <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0019.html> > > Internationalisation review by r12a has generated several new issues on > TTML2 and comments on existing issues (see below), this week mainly about > alignment with relatively recent CSS developments. > > CSS 2.2 request for reviews from TTWG et al: Pre-announcement of CR for > CSS 2.2 & request for reviews > <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0017.html> When > can we schedule a review and gather feedback? > > Actions: > ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with > ACTION-443 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443>[image: > (edit)] <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443/edit> open Prepare > a document showing mapping arib ruby extension features to ttml2 for use as > a liaison document to arib. > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443> Glenn Adams > 2016-08-26 TTML2 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4> > ACTION-462 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462>[image: > (edit)] <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462/edit> open Create > issue on ttml2 to add "mapping from other versions and profiles of ttml" > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462> Glenn Adams > 2016-04-28 TTML2 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4> > > Most recent WD published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/WD-ttml2-20170106/ > > Merged TTML1 Pull Requests: None > Merged TTML2 Pull Requests: > > Issue 0186 value expression conventions > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/311> > > Issue 0105 out of line region timing > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/309> > > Clarify support for R217 (#141). <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/318> > > Add #region-timing feature designation (#169). > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/317> > > Clarify applicability of special value of 60 in seconds component (#1… > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/325> > > Add support for Unicode explicit directional isolates > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/322> > > Minor corrections regarding inline progression dimension vs direction… > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/326> > > Open TTML1 Pull Requests: None > > Open TTML2 Pull Requests: > > Apply improvements to aspect ratio and pixel semantics. > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/321> > > Issue 0164 default play rate <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/324> > > Issue 0230 vertical scripts <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/327> > > Issue 0133 ruby style inheritance <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/328> > > New TTML1 Issues: > > Text is over 4 lines in BasicTiming011.xml > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/242> > tts:displayAlign should be `after` in BeginEnd002.ttml > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/243> > Improve text at WritingMode004.ttml and WritingMode009.ttml > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/244> > Text not shown at Opacity004.ttml > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/245> > "." shows with overline in TextDecoration011.ttml > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/246> > tts:writingMode="rl" with latin characters and a comma > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/247> > > New TTML2 Issues: > > Review deprecations before finalizing WR. > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/316> > tts:position on <tt> <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/319> > [related media object region target] and [viewport target] defined but not > referenced <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/320> > Questions about ttp:mediaOffset <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/323> > tts:extent="contain" is not defined when applied to <tt> > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/329> > > Closed TTML1 Issues: None > Closed TTML2 Issues: > > Ensure that document conventions cover syntax used in value expressions. > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/186> > > Prefer end to dur on generated out-of-line regions > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/105> > > Embedded graphics don't fully meet requirement > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/141> > > The tts:textAlign property may need to apply to div, body > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/138> > > Consider applying ipd or bpd to content images > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/140> > > Feature designator for time expressions on region > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/169> > > Specify date as well as hours, minutes and seconds in time expressions > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/96> > > Clarify timing concepts in relation to SMIL > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/135> > > Create a section on options for customisation > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/156> > > Clarify semantics of content bpd for inline and line areas > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/163> > > The tts:displayAlign property may need to apply to content elements > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/137> > > Clock-time form time expressions allow 60 seconds for media timebase > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/158> > > Clarify the application specific usages of clockMode="local" > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/136> > > No mention of isolation for directional controls > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/265> > > The width of content elements' areas is unclear, especially looking at the > examples <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/134> > > Ensure consistency in ttml2 w.r.t. inline progression dimension vs > direction <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/155> > > Discussed TTML1 Issues: None > Discussed TTML2 Issues: > > Meaning of 'glyph area descendant' > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/236> > Ruby text should used special inheritance algorithm > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/133> > rubyAlign withBase <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/248> > Add support for Audio Description requirements > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/195> > Specify attribute term delimiter as post-normalised space > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/191> > Metadata examples do not include xml:lang (editorial) > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/271> > LWSP in rgba expressions? <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/315> > The uniqueness of xml:id needs to be broken for some uses of condition > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/128> > > > *Focus topic(s) for this week* > > *Open Pull Requests* (50 minutes) > > Can we reach consensus to merge the open pull requests or understand what > changes are needed so that they can be merged? > > *Issues* (remaining time) > > *(Please advise if you would like to raise any other issues for the > group's consideration this week)* > > The uniqueness of xml:id needs to be broken for some uses of condition > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/128> > > LWSP in rgba expressions? <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/315> > > Questions about ttp:mediaOffset <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/323> > > Add security and privacy section. > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/224> > > Inclusion of foreign namespace elements – is it only permitted on metadata > elements, or anywhere? Do we need additional conformance language? See also > IMSC issue foreign namespace usage is underspecified > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/213> > > Consider applying ipd or bpd to content images > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/140> – can we agree what we want to > happen here? > > A PR was merged early (direct commit) for How to specify aspect ratio to > understand positioning that may apply for display or video > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/30> - does this do what we need? > Last comment on the issue was Jan 6. This now incorporates Interpreting > the pixel measure <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/27>. > > Given the recent discussions, are we in a position to propose a syntax and > semantic to resolve Should background of a span be height of text in line > or computed lineHeight? <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/101> in a > way that can reasonably be contributed to CSS WG for their proposed > equivalent? > > *AD Requirements* > > Given the discussion on Add support for Audio Description requirements > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/195> review the AD requirements > document. > > See also: AD Requirements wiki page. > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/wiki/Audio-Description-Requirements> > > > > Current open issues: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues and https:// > github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues > See spreadsheet of editorial actions at https://github.com/w3c/ > ttml2/blob/master/spec/ednotes.xlsx > Edit/build instructions now in README in ttml2/spec/ at > https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/README.md > > > *Agenda+ IMSC (now incorporates Unicode ticket)* > > The Wide Review period has now expired and we have received some incoming > liaisons. > > What are our next steps? We will need dispositions for the review > comments, to Create tests for CR exit criteria > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/226> and set a CR exit minimum > timeline. > > IMSC 1.0.1 WD for Wide Review published at https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml- > imsc1.0.1/ > IMSC 1 Rec available at https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/ > REC-ttml-imsc1-20160421/ > Patent policy call for exclusions sent 2017-02-03, archived at > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Feb/0006.html > > Editor's draft is directly viewable at http://w3c.github.io/imsc/ > imsc1/spec/ttml-ww-profiles.html > IMSC Implementation Page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_ > implementation_page. > IMSC Tests repository: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests > > *Unicode CLDR discussion* > Unicode ticket is at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915 > Pierre's response to the recent update is at http://unicode.org/cldr/ > trac/ticket/8915#comment:9 > Email response from Shervin at Unicode https://lists.w3.org/ > Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0018.html > > Merged IMSC pull requests: none > > Open IMSC pull requests: > > Fix differences of XML and images for fillLineGap > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/234> > > New or discussed IMSC issues: > > Recommend avoiding tab characters <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/232> > > XML Example and corresponding renderings in pictures for itts:fillLineGap > don't fit <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/233> > > Clarified expected system behavior for ittp:activeArea > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/231> > > Remove tabs from examples (issue #225) > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/229> > > Required spaces between non-terminal components of styling and parameter > attributes (issue #221) <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/230> > > Determination of the color in leading in tts:fillLineGap > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/228> > > Closed IMSC issues: None > > Merged IMSC Tests pull requests: > > Fixed spurious linefeed in multiRowAlign1/1.000000.png > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/pull/2> > Adds tests <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/pull/3> > Test `set` with implicit inheritance > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/pull/4> > Feature set+implicit inheritance > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/pull/8> > > Open IMSC Tests pull requests: > > Adds writingMode and unicodeBidi tests > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/pull/5> > > Added timing, named color and zIndex tests > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/pull/6> > > New or discussed IMSC Tests issues: > > br-in-p-001.ttml ang br-in-span-001.ttml onscreen text misleading > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/issues/9> > > ttp:frameRate should be "30" in BasicTiming010.ttml > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/issues/10> > > Text is over 4 lines in BasicTiming011.xml > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/issues/11> > > White spaces at EOL do not appear in BasicTiming012.xml > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/issues/12> > > tts:displayAlign should be `after` in BeginEnd002.ttml > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/issues/13> > > Onscreen text misleading at WritingMode004.ttml and WritingMode009.ttml > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/issues/14> > > Text not shown at Opacity004.ttml > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/issues/15> > > space-preserve-001.ttml states "one line" but two are displayed > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/issues/16> > > nested-region-001.ttml should display more descriptive text > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/issues/17> > > "." shows with overline in TextDecoration011.ttml > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/issues/18> > > FontFamily009.ttml has a spurious space > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/issues/7> > > Closed IMSC Tests issues: > > multiRowAlign1/1.000000.png has spurious linefeed > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/issues/1> > > > > *Agenda+ HDR in PNG* > > ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with > ACTION-495 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/495>[image: > (edit)] <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/495/edit> open Update > the ttwg homepage and publications pages for the new repos > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/495> Thierry Michel > 2017-04-20 > > Repo for PQ HDR in PNG: https://github.com/w3c/png-hdr-pq > Draft WG Note: https://w3c.github.io/png-hdr-pq/ > > Merged pull requests: none > > Open pull requests: None > > New or discussed issues: > > ICC profile has wrong copyright > <https://github.com/w3c/png-hdr-pq/issues/2> > ICC profile contents are ignored, magic string used for labelling > <https://github.com/w3c/png-hdr-pq/issues/3> > > Closed issues: > > Typo in repo link <https://github.com/w3c/png-hdr-pq/issues/1> > > > > *Agenda+ **HTMLCue proposal progress update.* > > ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with > ACTION-441 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/441>[image: > (edit)] <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/441/edit> open Kick > off the analysis work on the vttcue carrying html idea. > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/441> Andreas Tai > 2015-11-05 > > See https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Apr/0012.html for > further information on this, this week. > > Also HTML import and HTMLCue? > <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Sep/0003.html> email > from 2016-09-06. > > [placeholder agenda item] > > *Agenda+ WebVTT review feedback* > > ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with > ACTION-396 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396>[image: > (edit)] <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396/edit> open Produce > evidence of request for wide review for webvtt, for the archive > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396> David Singer > 2015-04-17 WebVTT 1.0 > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/8> > Discussion on WebVTT review feedback and next steps. > > WebVTT Wide review wiki page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebVTT_Wide_Review > > Open Pull requests: > > Add requirements for region identifier to exist. > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/201> > Ruby issue264 <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/347> > > Merged Pull requests: None > > New issues: None > Closed issues: None > > Recently discussed issues: > > incomplete ruby implementation [I18N-ISSUE-431] > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/264> > > Ruby issue264 <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/347> > > > *Agenda+ AOB* > > *References* > > Wiki http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText > > > > ---------------------------- > > http://www.bbc.co.uk > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal > views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. > Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in > reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. > Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. > Further communication will 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