- From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 09:51:28 +0000
- To: Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>, Dae Kim <dakim@netflix.com>
- CC: "public-tt@w3.org" <public-tt@w3.org>
That's the one I was after - thank you Thierry. We should definitely send
a message to that reflector.
Nigel
On 06/07/2017, 10:43, "Thierry MICHEL" <tmichel@w3.org> wrote:
>We could also sent the review-announcement to
>public-review-announce@w3.org.
>
>see W3C process:
>https://www.w3.org/2017/Process-20170301/#wide-review
>
>
>6.2.3.1 Wide Review
>
>The requirements for wide review are not precisely defined by the W3C
>Process. The objective is to ensure that the entire set of stakeholders
>of the Web community, including the general public, have had adequate
>notice of the progress of the Working Group (for example through notices
>posted to public-review-announce@w3.org)
>
>
>Thierry
>
>Le 06/07/2017 à 11:24, Thierry MICHEL a écrit :
>>
>>
>> Le 06/07/2017 à 10:53, Nigel Megitt a écrit :
>>> It's published. We don't generally make announcements when publishing a
>>> WD for WR but I think there may be a way to do so. Thierry, does the
>>> spec announce list (sorry, I forget its proper name) normally get used
>>> for WRs or just CRs?
>>
>> We could use Chairs's list (this was used for former Last Call
>> announcement), and also public TT (Glenn already did it).
>>
>> There is no specific process for a WD Wide Review. This specific WD step
>> does not exist in the W3C Process nor in the "W3C Technical Report
>> Transition document. But we are required to make a wide review.
>> As a matter of fact, a WD Wide Review is not a transition.
>>
>>
>> For CR, the W3C Communications Team sends a transition announcement to
>> w3c-ac-members@w3.org and chairs@w3.org and on the W3C home page.
>>>
>>> Additionally what we do normally do is send liaison messages out to
>>> request review. That's the next immediate step for TTML2.
>>
>> Yes we will send messages to W3C Groups mentionned in the charter [1]
>> and external groups, like we recently did for IMSC.
>>
>> Thierry
>>
>> [1] https://www.w3.org/2016/05/timed-text-charter.html
>>
>>>
>>> Nigel
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Dae Kim <dakim@netflix.com <mailto:dakim@netflix.com>>
>>> Date: Wednesday, 5 July 2017 at 21:55
>>> To: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk
>>><mailto:nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>>
>>> Cc: "public-tt@w3.org <mailto:public-tt@w3.org>" <public-tt@w3.org
>>> <mailto:public-tt@w3.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: {agenda} TTWG Meeting 2017-07-06
>>>
>>> Can we start with the WR status of TTML2?
>>> I believe we're ready but did not see any announcements.
>>>
>>> -Dae
>>>
>>> *Dae Kim | Senior Video Engineer | Encoding Technology*
>>> *9420 94f4 a834 b038 2920 34b3 38ad b632 3738 942c 942f*
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Nigel Megitt
>>><nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk
>>> <mailto:nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> *Agenda+ Assign Roles*
>>>
>>> *Chairs: *Nigel Megitt
>>>
>>> *Scribe:* usually Nigel open to offers!
>>>
>>> *Regrets: *Andreas
>>>
>>> *Activity since last meeting:** *
>>> See individual agenda items for recent activity on specific
>>> products
>>>
>>>
>>> Cross-product TTWG
>>> board: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/board/
>>> <http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/board/>
>>>
>>> *We are still using tracker for /actions/ unrelated to
>>> issues.*
>>> *Please do not add or modify /issues/ in tracker!*
>>>
>>>
>>> IMSC: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pulse
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pulse>
>>> TTML1: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pulse
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pulse>
>>> TTML2: https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pulse
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pulse>
>>> TTML Profile
>>> Registry: https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pulse
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pulse>
>>> TTML-WebVTT
>>> mapping: https://github.com/w3c/ttml-webvtt-mapping/pulse
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/ttml-webvtt-mapping/pulse>
>>>
>>> WebVTT:* *https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pulse
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pulse>
>>>
>>> *Agenda+ Prioritise discussion for this meeting and look ahead*
>>> *
>>> *
>>> Check-point for order of topics I'd suggest, subject to
>>> reordering:
>>> 1. TPAC advanced planning
>>> 2. IMSC
>>> 3. TTML issue assignment and progress tracking
>>> 4. TTML1 & TTML2 issues, actions, PRs, editorial actions etc
>>> 5. WebVTT feedback (David Singer to Chair if present)
>>> 6. HDR in PNG
>>> 7. Progress on HTMLCue proposal (placeholder)
>>> 8. AOB please notify of any other AOB now!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Reminder re future milestones and meetings:
>>>
>>> _July Meetings:_
>>>
>>> Thursday 13th July: TTWG phone meeting 2 Hour(s)
>>> Thursday 20th July: TTWG phone meeting 2 Hour(s)
>>> Thursday 27th July: TTWG phone meeting 2 Hour(s)
>>>
>>> _Further ahead:_
>>> _
>>> _
>>> Thursday 3rd August: TTWG phone meeting ? Hour(s)
>>> Thursday 10th August: TTWG phone meeting ? Hour(s)
>>> Thursday 17th August: TTWG phone meeting ? Hour(s) - NM away
>>> Thursday 24th August: TTWG phone meeting ? Hour(s) - NM away
>>> Thursday 31st August: TTWG phone meeting ? Hour(s)
>>>
>>> _
>>> _
>>> _IMSC 2 and TTML2 publication events:_ see the timeline of
>>> upcoming work
>>> at
>>>
>>>_https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/Publications#Timeline_of_TTML2_and_IM
>>>SC2_work
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>><https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/Publications#Timeline_of_TTML2_and_IM
>>>SC2_work>
>>> _
>>>
>>>
>>> *Agenda+ TPAC 2017 Advanced planning*
>>> *
>>> *
>>> As Chair I have completed the WBS survey, requesting:
>>>
>>> Attendance for ~10 people.
>>> No preference for date, meet on any two days.
>>> Flexible about days.
>>> Joint meeting with CSS WG and with Web and TV IG.
>>> Avoid overlap with Web and TV IG.
>>> Permit observers.
>>> Not member confidential.
>>> Estimate ~6 attending technical plenary.
>>> Estimate ~3 attending AC sessions Tuesday and Thursday.
>>>
>>> https://www.w3.org/2017/11/TPAC/Overview.html
>>> <https://www.w3.org/2017/11/TPAC/Overview.html>
>>> *
>>> *
>>> Chair was asked for further clarification about the joint
>>> meetings and the overlap avoidance; since Web and TV IG are
>>> likely to meet on the Monday, and CSSWG on the Monday and
>>> Tuesday, I requested Thursday and Friday for the main TTWG
>>> meetings with joint agenda slots with the other two groups on
>>> Monday and/or Tuesday.
>>>
>>> ID State Title Person Due Date Associated
>>> with
>>> ACTION-497
>>> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/497>(edit)
>>> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/497/edit>
>>> open Invite csswg to joint meeting at tpac 2017, with list
>>>of
>>> topics. <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/497>
>>> Nigel Megitt 2017-06-15
>>>
>>>
>>> _Collate list of the issues we want to open with CSS WG_
>>> _
>>> _
>>> We need to put this together as part of the agenda for a
>>>request
>>> to meet at TPAC.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Agenda+ IMSC (now incorporates Unicode ticket)*
>>>
>>> _IMSC1.0.1 Internationalisation issues_ (if Richard and/or
>>> Addison are able to attend)
>>>
>>> _Progress on publication of IMSC 1.0.1 CR_
>>>
>>> The transition request has been made with a request to proceed
>>> without a Director's call. However the team and Director has
>>>not
>>> managed to process this in time for publication on July 6th as
>>> requested.
>>>
>>>
>>> IMSC 1.0.1 WD for Wide Review published
>>> at https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1.0.1/
>>> <https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1.0.1/>
>>> IMSC 1 Rec available
>>> at https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-ttml-imsc1-20160421/
>>> <https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-ttml-imsc1-20160421/>
>>> Patent policy call for exclusions sent 2017-02-03, archived
>>> at
>>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Feb/0006.html
>>>
>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Feb/0006.html>
>>>
>>> Editor's draft is directly viewable
>>> at http://w3c.github.io/imsc/imsc1/spec/ttml-ww-profiles.html
>>> <http://w3c.github.io/imsc/imsc1/spec/ttml-ww-profiles.html>
>>> IMSC Implementation
>>> Page:
>>> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_implementation_page
>>> <https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_implementation_page>.
>>> IMSC Tests repository: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests>
>>>
>>> *Unicode CLDR discussion*
>>> Unicode ticket is at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915
>>> <http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915>
>>> Pierre's response to the recent update is
>>> at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915#comment:9
>>> <http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915#comment:9>
>>> Email response from Shervin at
>>> Unicode
>>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0018.html
>>>
>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0018.html>
>>>
>>> Merged IMSC pull requests: None
>>>
>>> Open IMSC pull requests: None
>>>
>>> New or discussed IMSC issues: None
>>>
>>> Closed IMSC issues:
>>>
>>> Should the character sets be minimum *font* requirements?
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/236>
>>>
>>> Prepare CR draft <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/244>
>>>
>>> ittp:activeArea clarification
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/227>
>>>
>>> Determination of the color in leading in tts:fillLineGap
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/228>
>>>
>>> Publish CR <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/248>
>>>
>>> Merged IMSC Tests pull requests: None
>>>
>>> Open IMSC Tests pull requests: None
>>>
>>> New or discussed IMSC Tests issues:
>>>
>>> Text does not overflow in WrapOption00X.ttml
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/issues/22>
>>>
>>> Closed IMSC Tests issues: None
>>>
>>>
>>> *Agenda+ TTML issue assignment and progress tracking (20
>>>minutes
>>> maximum)*
>>>
>>> We have now published the WD for WR however there are still
>>>many
>>> issues open, and we intend also to apply multiple fixes as
>>> already agreed for TTML1.
>>>
>>> At the moment of writing this agenda, there are:
>>>
>>> TTML1 issues:
>>>
>>> * 28 open issues with no milestone, 1 (#199) marked as
>>> discussed and agreed
>>> * 48 open issues in "3rd Ed" milestone, 14 marked as
>>>discussed
>>> and agreed
>>>
>>> TTML2 issues:
>>>
>>> * 1 open issues on the Editor's WR Work List milestone, of
>>> which 1 is not labelled as "PR Open";
>>> * 50 open issues with no milestone, all of which have no PR,
>>> and
>>> * 7 open issues awaiting some feedback on disposition, which
>>> are in the "Group's WR action required list" milestone,
>>> including #316 which is to review the deprecations before
>>> finalising the WR.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Agenda+ TTML1 & TTML2 issues, actions, PRs, editorial actions
>>> etc*
>>>
>>> Horizontal Review:
>>>
>>> CSS Review of TTML2, threads: FW: TTML2 horizontal review with
>>> CSS
>>>
>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0013.html> and
>>> Fwd:
>>> Subtitle/caption styling + TTML + CSS
>>>
>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0019.html>
>>>
>>> Internationalisation review by r12a has generated several new
>>> issues on TTML2 and comments on existing issues (see below),
>>> this week mainly about alignment with relatively recent CSS
>>> developments.
>>>
>>> CSS 2.2 request for reviews from TTWG et al: Pre-announcement
>>>of
>>> CR for CSS 2.2 & request for reviews
>>>
>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0017.html> When
>>> can we schedule a review and gather feedback?
>>>
>>> Actions:
>>> ID State Title Person Due Date Associated
>>> with
>>> ACTION-443
>>> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443>(edit)
>>> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443/edit>
>>> open Prepare a document showing mapping arib ruby extension
>>> features to ttml2 for use as a liaison document to arib.
>>> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443>
>>>Glenn
>>> Adams 2016-08-26 TTML2
>>> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4>
>>> ACTION-462
>>> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462>(edit)
>>> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462/edit>
>>> open Create issue on ttml2 to add "mapping from other
>>> versions
>>> and profiles of ttml"
>>> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462>
>>>Glenn
>>> Adams 2016-04-28 TTML2
>>> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4>
>>>
>>>
>>> Most recent WD published
>>> at https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/WD-ttml2-20170106
>>> <https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/WD-ttml2-20170106>/
>>>
>>> Merged TTML1 Pull Requests: None
>>> Merged TTML2 Pull Requests:
>>>
>>> Add audio related features (#195).
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/396>
>>>
>>> Open TTML1 Pull Requests: None
>>>
>>> Open TTML2 Pull Requests: None
>>>
>>> New TTML1 Issues: None
>>>
>>> New TTML2 Issues: None
>>>
>>> Closed TTML1 Issues: None
>>> Closed TTML2 Issues:
>>>
>>> Add support for Audio Description requirements
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/195>
>>>
>>> Discussed TTML1 Issues: None
>>> Discussed TTML2 Issues: None
>>>
>>> Questions about ttp:mediaOffset
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/323>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Focus topic(s) for this week*
>>>
>>> What should we focus on next while TTML2 is in WR TTML1 3rd
>>>Ed?
>>>
>>> _Issues_
>>>
>>> *Iterate through open issues with no PR* decide action to
>>>take
>>> on each, e.g. defer to CR, defer to TTML.next, close etc.
>>>
>>> If there are any issues that we decide need to be resolved
>>> before WR *a proposal for the fix* is needed ASAP (basically,
>>> it's too late already unless it can easily be agreed by the
>>> group).
>>>
>>>
>>> Current open issues: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues> and
>>> https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues>
>>> See spreadsheet of editorial actions
>>> at https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/ednotes.xlsx
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/ednotes.xlsx>
>>> Edit/build instructions now in README in ttml2/spec/
>>> at https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/README.md
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/README.md>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Agenda+ WebVTT review feedback*
>>>
>>> ID State Title Person Due Date Associated
>>> with
>>> ACTION-396
>>> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396>(edit)
>>> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396/edit>
>>> open Produce evidence of request for wide review for
>>>webvtt,
>>> for the archive
>>> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396>
>>>David
>>> Singer 2015-04-17 WebVTT 1.0
>>> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/8>
>>>
>>>
>>> _Discussion on WebVTT review feedback and next steps._
>>>
>>> What are the WG's views on the dispositions generated by the
>>>CG?
>>>
>>> _Resolve to publish a new WD? (not strictly necessary)_
>>>
>>> WebVTT Wide review wiki
>>> page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebVTT_Wide_Review
>>> <https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebVTT_Wide_Review>
>>>
>>> Open Pull requests:
>>>
>>> Prepare a new WD. <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/351>
>>>
>>> Merged Pull requests: None
>>>
>>> New issues: None
>>> Closed issues: None
>>>
>>> Recently discussed issues:
>>>
>>> Prepare a new WD. <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/351>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Agenda+ HDR in PNG*
>>>
>>> Repo for PQ HDR in PNG: https://github.com/w3c/png-hdr-pq
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/png-hdr-pq>
>>> Draft WG Note: https://w3c.github.io/png-hdr-pq/
>>> <https://w3c.github.io/png-hdr-pq/>
>>>
>>> Merged pull requests: none
>>>
>>> Open pull requests:
>>>
>>> Clarifies fallback strategy and editorial clean-up
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/png-hdr-pq/pull/4>
>>>
>>> New or discussed issues:
>>>
>>> Clarifies fallback strategy and editorial clean-up
>>> <https://github.com/w3c/png-hdr-pq/pull/4>
>>>
>>> Closed issues: None
>>>
>>> Note that there has been some positive feedback about the
>>> direction of this recently.
>>>
>>> *Agenda+ **HTMLCue proposal progress update.*
>>>
>>> ID State Title Person Due Date Associated
>>> with
>>> ACTION-441
>>> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/441>(edit)
>>> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/441/edit>
>>> open Kick off the analysis work on the vttcue carrying html
>>> idea. <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/441>
>>> Andreas Tai 2015-11-05
>>>
>>>
>>> See
>>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Apr/0012.html
>>>
>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Apr/0012.html> for
>>> further information on this, this week.
>>>
>>> Also HTML import and HTMLCue?
>>>
>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Sep/0003.html>
>>>email
>>> from 2016-09-06.
>>>
>>> [placeholder agenda item]
>>>
>>>
>>> *Agenda+ AOB*
>>>
>>> *References*
>>>
>>> Wiki http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText
>>> <http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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